What do you do and why? (Grunch please)

[A_C_Slater]

Sometimes I would raise and sometimes I would fold. It would depend on my spunkitude on that particular day. If I had a playable hand at another table then I would probably fold as raising creates a tricky situation and may only be borderline EV+ anyway.

[tijean]

Well, let's cook it up in the stove and see what it tastes like.

If you raise and isolate the limper:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 63.2847 % [ 00.63 00.01 ] { 6s6d }
Hand 2: 36.7153 % [ 00.36 00.01 ] { random }

...the raise looks good. If BB comes along (I'll put BB on unsuited, unconnected overcards to you pair, just for the sake of argument):

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 40.8221 % [ 00.41 00.00 ] { 6s6d }
Hand 2: 26.1905 % [ 00.25 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 3: 32.9874 % [ 00.32 00.01 ] { Kh7c }

...the raise still looks good (suitedness and connectedness improve his number at your expense, obviously). If the button coldcalls:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 28.4939 % [ 00.28 00.00 ] { 6s6d }
Hand 2: 16.1513 % [ 00.15 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 3: 22.4464 % [ 00.22 00.00 ] { Kh7c }
Hand 4: 32.9083 % [ 00.33 00.00 ] { AcQs }

...you've still got more than your share of equity, but the raise doesn't look so good now (but you knew that). 22? (with just the BB):

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 32.8857 % [ 00.33 00.00 ] { 2s2d }
Hand 2: 32.4408 % [ 00.31 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 3: 34.6734 % [ 00.34 00.01 ] { Kh7c }

...nope. Without the BB:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 50.3340 % [ 00.49 00.01 ] { 2s2d }
Hand 2: 49.6660 % [ 00.49 00.01 ] { random }

...still nope. 33 = 53%, 44 = 57%. All these numbers are PF equity, of course. What'll make this move profitable is how you play it post-flop. Against passive players, you could be behind all the way and not find out until you showdown.

[Rev. Good Will]

<---noob and wants to know where did those #'s come from/ how did you get them?

Or is it just cause I'm part of the unfortunate SSHE un-enlightened ? [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[GrunchCan]

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<---noob and wants to know where did those #'s come from/ how did you get them?

Or is it just cause I'm part of the unfortunate SSHE un-enlightened ? [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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poker stove

[TomBrooks]

[ QUOTE ]
Well, let's cook it up in the stove and see what it tastes like.
If you raise and isolate the limper:
equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 63.2847 % [ 00.63 00.01 ] { 6s6d }
Hand 2: 36.7153 % [ 00.36 00.01 ] { random }

...the raise looks good. If BB comes along (I'll put BB on unsuited, unconnected overcards to you pair, just for the sake of argument):

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 40.8221 % [ 00.41 00.00 ] { 6s6d }
Hand 2: 26.1905 % [ 00.25 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 3: 32.9874 % [ 00.32 00.01 ] { Kh7c }

...the raise still looks good (suitedness and connectedness improve his number at your expense, obviously).

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I think this example could be made a little more realistic tijean. I tried to get to Poker Stove and it is out of commission at the moment so I'll just tell you what I have in mind and maybe someone who has it already downloaded can plug it in.

In the case that you get four folds, lets not give the limper a random hand. He didn't limp with 52o. Let's give him at least KTo or T9s.

In the next example, a tight BB is not going to call a raise with K7o. If he doesn't reraise (AA-TT, AK), he is going to have AQ-AJ, KQ, AXs, KQs-K9s, QJs-Q9s, JTs-J9s, T9s-98s or any pocket pair. He will not call with the weak offsuit Broadways like AT, KJ-KT, QJ-QT and JT. Now, lets put one or two of those hands on the fire and see what we come up with.

[TomBrooks]

Poker Stove website is working now:

Let's give the limper a loose hand from early position like KTo

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 46.4314 % [ 00.46 00.00 ] { KhTc }
Hand 2: 53.5686 % [ 00.53 00.00 ] { 6s6d }

6-6 looks marginally decent if you can get the limper heads up.

Limper has QTo

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 48.0217 % [ 00.48 00.00 ] { QcTd }
Hand 2: 51.9783 % [ 00.52 00.00 ] { 6s6d }

Almost even.


Limper has T9o. I doubt if even a loose clueless player would limp with less than that.
equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 48.4761 % [ 00.48 00.00 ] { Tc9d }
Hand 2: 51.5239 % [ 00.51 00.00 ] { 6s6d }

66 is marginally ahead.

What if the limper has suited connectors Th9h?

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 51.0034 % [ 00.51 00.00 ] { Th9h }
Hand 2: 48.9966 % [ 00.49 00.00 ] { 6s6d }

Almost even.


OK, how about if the BB comes along. Give him QsJs

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 39.5613 % [ 00.39 00.00 ] { QsJs }
Hand 2: 30.2693 % [ 00.30 00.00 ] { Th9h }
Hand 3: 30.1694 % [ 00.30 00.00 ] { 6s6d }

BB's in front.

Let's give BB A5s

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 28.9363 % [ 00.29 00.00 ] { As5s }
Hand 2: 38.8724 % [ 00.39 00.00 ] { Th9h }
Hand 3: 32.1913 % [ 00.32 00.00 ] { 6s6d }

The limper's in front.

One more. BB has KQ

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 36.3567 % [ 00.36 00.00 ] { KcQd }
Hand 2: 33.1487 % [ 00.33 00.00 ] { Th9h }
Hand 3: 30.4947 % [ 00.30 00.00 ] { 6s6d }

66 has the worst of it.

Say the 66 limps, there is one one call from either the CO or the Button, and the SB completes, BB checks.


equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 24.7038 % [ 00.25 00.00 ] { Ts8s }
Hand 2: 14.2247 % [ 00.14 00.00 ] { 9c4d }
Hand 3: 25.2654 % [ 00.25 00.00 ] { 6s6d }
Hand 4: 35.8062 % [ 00.36 00.00 ] { QsJc }

If either of the blinds has a six....

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 21.5433 % [ 00.21 00.01 ] { Th6h }
Hand 2: 14.3529 % [ 00.14 00.00 ] { 9c4d }
Hand 3: 22.3260 % [ 00.22 00.01 ] { 6s6d }
Hand 4: 41.7778 % [ 00.42 00.00 ] { QsJc }

[reubenf]

Raise hoping to isolate, or hoping for a free look at the turn if a blind comes along.

[scotty34]

I would go for the isolation raise, and try to outplay the loose UTG+2 postflop. However, I am prepared to dump this when facing almost any aggression if one of the other players decides to come along.

[Duerig]

According to reads it seems to me like a raise to isolate this player would be in order. However, I personally wouldn't do it because I don't trust my postflop skills, and I hate my HU ability. I would probably limp in and then bet the flop if it's checked to me.

[Duerig]

Ugh, I suck.