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Old 05-20-2005, 10:06 PM
Insty Insty is offline
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Default Re: Dropping 30 buy-ins at the Party 5+1?

First Game:

With 66:
I probably would have folded here. Never call, you're either way behind or a coinflip and you have no fold equity at all calling.


Second Game:

With JJ:
You should either be all in, or limp + hope for a nice flop. Raise fold is just throwing away chips.

With 53:
Don't let the BB steal your money by making you play rubbish you would normally fold.
People usually aren't bluffing often enought to make it worth your while, and pocket 4's still have you beat.


If you're going to get knocked out of a game do it by pushing and being called, not by calling someone elses push.
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Old 05-20-2005, 11:55 AM
jpg7n16 jpg7n16 is offline
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Default Re: Dropping 30 buy-ins at the Party 5+1?

Party pays the top 3 right??

Both of the tourneys you have posted, you placed 4th because you made a marginal (maybe coinflip) call for the rest of your chips. You were one place away from the money.

My solution to your problems? Make those marginal calls AFTER you are ITM, or way before... not when you are one place away. (Concept can be found in more detail inside TPFAP)

Your 66 hand. If he has an overpair, you are a big dog. If he has two overs, it is a coinflip in your favor. But a coinflip resulting in absolute -0- if you lose. So you put your stack in on an either big dog/very small favorite situation.

Your 53 hand. You want to let your tournament chances rest on a pair of 3's? I don't... but maybe that's just me. Fold and wait for someone else to call w/ a pair of 3's so they can bust instead of you.

You have great discipline and hand selection, but I think you could earn much more by making smarter decisions when you are that close.

My two+two cents
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Old 05-20-2005, 12:55 PM
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Default Re: Dropping 30 buy-ins at the Party 5+1?

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or because no one is stupid enogh to play the 5s when the 10s have the same rake.

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Play the $5+.50 at UB or some other site.
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Old 05-20-2005, 02:01 PM
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Default Re: Dropping 30 buy-ins at the Party 5+1?

Hey,
read the first one. two things i didnt like:

1) the Q9 bet after you hit a Q on the turn (you completed from the SB). w all those overs, someone else prob has a better hand, and the table so far wasn't really folding to bets, i check here.

2) the call w 66. either you are 20% to win or 50%, not good odds considering you are not using your chips to muscle.

Work on the bubble play, read this forum. good luck.
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Old 05-20-2005, 04:27 PM
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Default Re: Dropping 30 buy-ins at the Party 5+1?

so basically push alot more. I think was doing that fine at first, then hit a little rough patch and got scared and started to tighten up close to the money.

Going to start a few more tables with my remaing money and see if I can get something going.

Thanks for all your help.

-starvs
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Old 05-20-2005, 11:07 PM
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Default Re: Dropping 30 buy-ins at the Party 5+1?

starvs,

Looking at your hand history, you remind of how I used to play after going on a losing streak. I played scared. I didn't play hands that could get me in any trouble. I didn't bluff and I overbet my good hands to avoid getting drawn out on. Some notable points:

A) You raised to 100 chips with AA from UTG. From UTG, I would raise less or slowplay aces.

B) With 58o and only 15 chips to see a flop, you fold and miss trips on the flop. I'd almost always call here.

C) You fold JJ to an all-in?? You are playing way too scared!


Some tips:

A) Try raising on the button (if no raise already) no matter what cards you have. Particularly with 3 or fewer limpers. You can often pick up the pot on the flop with a small bet.

B) Bluff a lot more, particularly when your opponents show weakness.

C) Build up pots before you steal them. I.E... try to build up a big pot that still has fold equity and then go all-in to get your opponents fold.

Paperboy
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Old 05-21-2005, 01:41 AM
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Default Re: Dropping 30 buy-ins at the Party 5+1?

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starvs,

Looking at your hand history, you remind of how I used to play after going on a losing streak. I played scared. I didn't play hands that could get me in any trouble. I didn't bluff and I overbet my good hands to avoid getting drawn out on. Some notable points:

A) You raised to 100 chips with AA from UTG. From UTG, I would raise less or slowplay aces.

B) With 58o and only 15 chips to see a flop, you fold and miss trips on the flop. I'd almost always call here.

C) You fold JJ to an all-in?? You are playing way too scared!


Some tips:

A) Try raising on the button (if no raise already) no matter what cards you have. Particularly with 3 or fewer limpers. You can often pick up the pot on the flop with a small bet.

B) Bluff a lot more, particularly when your opponents show weakness.

C) Build up pots before you steal them. I.E... try to build up a big pot that still has fold equity and then go all-in to get your opponents fold.

Paperboy

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Exactly, I'm am/was playing to scared. Once I started losing I just starting getting more tighter and more passive trying to somehow stop losing, which in turn just caused me to lose more. Folding that JJ was pretty much as bad as it got.

Thanks for all the help
-starvs
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Old 05-21-2005, 03:53 AM
ReDeYES88 ReDeYES88 is offline
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>You have options at Table 12175 Table!.
>You have options at Table 14233 Table!.
>You have options at Table 12254 Table!.


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perhaps you should not quad table the 5+1 and two table the 10+1s instead. less rake, more focus, and i'll wager better results. .

. . . good luck.
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Old 05-21-2005, 09:43 AM
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Default Re: Dropping 30 buy-ins at the Party 5+1?

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Some tips:

A) Try raising on the button (if no raise already) no matter what cards you have. Particularly with 3 or fewer limpers. You can often pick up the pot on the flop with a small bet.

B) Bluff a lot more, particularly when your opponents show weakness.

C) Build up pots before you steal them. I.E... try to build up a big pot that still has fold equity and then go all-in to get your opponents fold.



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Do the exact opposite of this advice and you should be fine.

Have you ever played a 5+1 Paperboy? These guys don't have a fold button.
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Old 05-21-2005, 01:19 PM
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Default Re: Dropping 30 buy-ins at the Party 5+1?

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Have you ever played a 5+1 Paperboy? These guys don't have a fold button.

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Haha.. If you get them to put 200 chips in on a draw, they will fold if they miss it. My gf plays 5/1 everyday and people fold plenty.
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