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#1
12-15-2005, 08:53 PM
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Re: turn spot
I have not read the other posts yet, so I apologize if this has been said. If you have diamonds I'd definitely 3-bet, call a 4-bet, and check-call the river absent a diamond, ace, or 7. If you don't have diamonds I'd probably just call his turn raise, and then donk-bet a safe river and call a raise. You pretty much are committed to a showdown in this spot, and if you 3-bet the turn and are losing to A9 or a set, you save yourself one bet that way (4 bets on the turn and 1 on the river versus 2 bets on the turn and 2 on the river) without giving him the free showdown if he had raised the turn hoping to get a free showdown.
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#2
12-15-2005, 09:50 PM
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Re: turn spot
what i'm more interested in knowing is... if you get capped and river a diamond, is the best line to bet or checkraise? my guess is that betting is probably best since he won't give you credit for backdooring him esp with all the action you gave him on the flop and turn, so he'd think his AA or 99 or A9 or whatever would still be good and raise, where as checkraising may get him to think otherwise.
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#3
12-15-2005, 10:52 PM
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Re: turn spot
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my guess is that betting is probably best since he won't give you credit for backdooring him esp with all the action you gave him on the flop and turn, so he'd think his AA or 99 or A9 or whatever would still be good and raise, where as checkraising may get him to think otherwise. [/ QUOTE ] Thats funny b/c before i saw your post I posted that i thought that checkraising was best, I think that enough people fast play pair/flushdraw combo's on the turn that when you lead into a 4bet on the river when the draw comes in you get the chance to 3bet less often than you would like. Maybe im way off though. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] -Brad
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#4
12-15-2005, 10:13 PM
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Re: turn spot
This is a really easy 3bet. The times when you are ahead (which is most times) + your draw makes this soooo easy imo. Im in the middle of a 300bb downswing in one of the shorthanded games I play though so what the hell do i know.
-Brad
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#5
12-15-2005, 11:31 PM
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Re: turn spot
I think this is a rather straightfoward cap. See it like this
 roughly) if X is the chance that you are currently ahead then 1-X is the chance that you are currently behind. Then our equity at the turn is (let's ignore his outs against us for a while), lets say we have roughly 10 discounted outs. Then our equity is about: X + (1-X)*0,2 = 0,8*X + 0,2, i.e. if X <u>></u> 37,5% then we should 3-bet (roughly). This criterion is easily met. I think it is strong enough that overturning principles (i.e. he might fold to a 3-bet but call a river bet or whatever) will not influence our decision.
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#7
12-16-2005, 01:21 AM
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Re: turn spot
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so.. you have diamonds? [/ QUOTE ] apparently... wht he couldnt call his hand Ad7d in the OP is beyond me.
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#8
12-16-2005, 04:22 AM
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Re: turn spot
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[ QUOTE ] so.. you have diamonds? [/ QUOTE ] apparently... wht he couldnt call his hand Ad7d in the OP is beyond me. [/ QUOTE ] well yeah, that was gonna be my next beef. i have no idea why everyone doesn't use that terminology. A7d would work better than Ad7d.. one less character!
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#9
12-16-2005, 03:30 AM
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Re: turn spot
I think I'm 3betting either way, but I'd sure like to know a little more about the flush draw. Do you have diamonds or not? If not, which of the flop cards is a diamond? It matters. If the A is the diamond on the flop, then a river diamond scares me a hell of a lot less than if it were the 9 or 7.
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