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#2
11-20-2005, 02:59 PM
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Re: Another 77 hand
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[ QUOTE ] Yes, there's a decent chance we're ahead. [/ QUOTE ] I have overlay from the LPP player too. [/ QUOTE ] Just so you know: You're PF explanation is off in that you say you're MP2 and the LPP is MP1. Didn't even notice the first time around. Anyway, really, I've never understood the exact meaning of "overlay" and "parlay" in hand discussion contexts. So, I'm not 100% what you're saying here. However, my assumption is that you mean his money pads the pot in that he could be calling with bottom pair or some such non-sense. Before I go on, is this what you're saying? 
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#4
11-20-2005, 04:09 PM
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Re: Another 77 hand
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We can see the river and the river action action last for only 1 BB. As it stands, we may end up paying 3 BBs on this turn (With 3 outs to the nuts, folding that turn is not in my book, especially if sb and/or MP are still in the hand, of course.) [/ QUOTE ] We have sketchy set and one-card (non-nut) straight outs, but I wouldn't be able to fold to a 3-bet either. So I found it reassuring when Entity said that doing so would be a mistake. Edit: And if by some chance we get 3-bet and that 3-bet leaves us heads-up, I think folding would be really bad. I think we can count on six full outs, at that point.
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#5
11-20-2005, 04:36 PM
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Re: Another 77 hand
I'm not sure I like the turn raise given the action from UTG+2. I can't think of many hands that an 18/12/2 would open limp UTG+2 and play this way that we beat. Perhaps if it was a very loose tables something like a suited 65 or A6. Otherwise I would think you are often looking at a set, possibly a bigger overpair like 88,99 or a couple of diamonds with a King. I can't imagine many other hands UTG+2 has that he would bet into a field of 4 with on the turn after seeing 2 people cold call his flop raise.
I prefer 3-betting the flop here as well.
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#6
11-21-2005, 02:06 AM
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Re: Another 77 hand
I'd rather 3 bet the flop and play from there. I think you have a better chance of getting the most value by raising the flop. If UTG is raising a draw, he may not bet again on the turn. Sb likely hit some piece of the flop so getting him to pay the most to see the turn is good. I also don't like to open myself up for a 3 bet on the turn w/a hand like this, I'd rather find out where I stand on the flop and play from there
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