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Re: $215: Interesting use of the min. bet
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[ QUOTE ] I don't understand any part of the play of this Hand [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] 1.) You have told me "ad nauseum" to stay away from hands like Q-Joff in the early going. 2.) I don't understand your late-position call on the flop; "pump it -or- dump it" 3.) Your call of the min-bet on the turn must be "I've played this really bad so far; why change now" 4.) I understand the call on the Riv; if he had a monster he would push [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I put him on A-Js [/ QUOTE ] Most of SFB's "funny" posts are not funny. This serious post, however, is quite amusing. Ah, the delicious irony. A-J???? This is the best you could do. What numbnuts at a $215 would bet $15 into a $400 pot with TPTK and a flush draw on board? -Z [/ QUOTE ] Me & Gig PS: You don't even know where the $215's are [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] PPS: You got beat @ *STTF-HUC* by a 14-year old & a sweet young man who looks at you "Quizzically" whenever he has the greek-nutz [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] |
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Re: $215: Interesting use of the min. bet
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I called the turn to induce a bluff. That's a big part of my game, and something that I worked on a lot with Unarmed. It's also something that few players do, and something that I don't think I've ever seen a post about. [/ QUOTE ] It's a massive part of my early game. I'm sure its just not something discussed here, but its constantly discussed in cash game forums/settings. How else does one gain much value from marginal holdings? Making people fold worse hands? Boo. Also, given how confusing the opp's line is, I think I would've played it just like you did. I'm sitting here now looking at it and I can't figure out what the hell he's thinking... it just seems so inconsistent. I might even call if I was pretty sure my hand was not good (though I think yours is good here, but I'm unfamiliar with how some of the $215ers play) just to see what he has and maybe figure out what was going through his head. This game is no fun if I can't figure out what he's thinking. |
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Re: $215: Interesting use of the min. bet
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I don't understand any part of the play of this Hand [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] 1.) You have told me "ad nauseum" to stay away from hands like Q-Joff in the early going. [/ QUOTE ] You can't play Q-J early in a SNG if you will put this opponent on A-J with that action on the turn. Nor can you play it if you will pay-off A-Q when you both make a queen. But if you don't make either of those mistakes, and you are capable of inducing a bluff from an ace that misses, almost any hand is profitable from late position against a min-raiser preflop. [ QUOTE ] 2.) I don't understand your late-position call on the flop; "pump it -or- dump it" [/ QUOTE ] A poker hand, like the universe, will unfold as it should. I am not afraid of the turn. Most opponents are. Let's see it. [ QUOTE ] 3.) Your call of the min-bet on the turn must be "I've played this really bad so far; why change now" [/ QUOTE ] Precisely my thinking. [ QUOTE ] 4.) I understand the call on the Riv; if he had a monster he would push [/ QUOTE ] You can't understand the call on the river if you don't understand the call on the turn. [ QUOTE ] I put him on A-Js [/ QUOTE ] That's the only two-card combination that it would be essentialy impossible for him to have. Irieguy |
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Re: $215: Interesting use of the min. bet
I remember in a post a long time ago Greg Raymer said to treat a min bet like a check, what would you do if he checked the turn?
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Re: $215: Interesting use of the min. bet
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That's the only two-card combination that it would be essentialy impossible for him to have. [/ QUOTE ] My thinking exactly [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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Re: $215: Interesting use of the min. bet
15 on the turn is neither a block, nor value, so I would think most likely he is trying to induce a bluff. Then, he says, "wow, a calling station" and value bets the river. Second most likely is that his warped mind thought it was a block.
edit: I'm not taking any possible posting bias into account. |
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Re: $215: Interesting use of the min. bet
Smells like a small suited Ace played poorly early
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Re: $215: Interesting use of the min. bet
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[ QUOTE ] That's the only two-card combination that it would be essentialy impossible for him to have. [/ QUOTE ] My thinking exactly [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] What was the "Heiny-count" prior to the start of this hand? |
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Re: $215: Interesting use of the min. bet
I don't know about others here, but I fairly often bet 15 by accident when I'm multi-tabling. It especially happens when I want to automatically hit "bet the pot" and then by the time it comes to me I ended up mini-betting instead. It's of course entirely possible there's a real reason, but that actually seems more likely to me than anything else. Anyway, I'd probably have treated it as a check, and I might have raised something into it to see how he responds. But if you think the mini-bet was intentional, than inducing a bluff is an interesting line. Honestly, it's hard for me to put villian on anything here.
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Re: $215: Interesting use of the min. bet
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I remember in a post a long time ago Greg Raymer said to treat a min bet like a check, what would you do if he checked the turn? [/ QUOTE ] Easy check. Against most opponents the value you gain by showing weakness and inducing river bluffs exceeds the risk you take by giving a free card. Also, I'm not real interested in opening up the betting on the turn as it allows villain to C/R with hands I currently have beat. |
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