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#21
04-05-2005, 08:28 AM
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Re: I lost just the right amount...Yes?
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[ QUOTE ] Don't 3-bet that turn unless you can fold to the cap. I prefer just calling down against an unkown, and 3-betting vs a known rock. [/ QUOTE ] Why would you want to 3-bet a rock? [/ QUOTE ] Because he's got AK or 99, and I can fold if he caps. I may have caused confusion when I said rock. Bison's rules have a rock defined as TP-P, I have a rock defined as TP-A. A mouse makes more sense as TP-P IMO. 
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#22
04-05-2005, 08:36 AM
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Re: I lost just the right amount...Yes?
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Without putting a whole lot of thought into this, seeing a showdown with one pair after he caps the turn is just not good. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed, the river call was stupid and that is being kind.
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#23
04-05-2005, 08:41 AM
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Re: I lost just the right amount...Yes?
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Don't 3-bet that turn unless you can fold to the cap. I prefer just calling down against an unkown, and 3-betting vs a known rock. [/ QUOTE ] I think this sums it up pretty well. I'm not only just 3-betting the rock, but any half decent player that I don't consider tricky.
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#24
04-05-2005, 08:45 AM
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Re: I lost just the right amount...Yes?
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Agreed, the river call was stupid and that is being kind. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think it would be all together ridiculous to call you stupid one step before that.
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#25
04-05-2005, 08:47 AM
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Re: I lost just the right amount...Yes?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Don't 3-bet that turn unless you can fold to the cap. I prefer just calling down against an unkown, and 3-betting vs a known rock. [/ QUOTE ] Why would you want to 3-bet a rock? [/ QUOTE ] Because he's got AK or 99, and I can fold if he caps. I may have caused confusion when I said rock. Bison's rules have a rock defined as TP-P, I have a rock defined as TP-A. A mouse makes more sense as TP-P IMO. [/ QUOTE ] 3 betting to find a fold to a 4 bet is a bad idea, don't do it. As far as your player descriptions, I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't use player ratings (honestly, what is the point? I never understood that) and I don't know how mice play poker.
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#26
04-05-2005, 09:28 AM
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Re: I lost just the right amount...Yes?
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3 betting to find a fold to a 4 bet is a bad idea, don't do it. [/ QUOTE ] why? [ QUOTE ] As far as your player descriptions, I have no idea what you're talking about. [/ QUOTE ] If the person is an unknown I call the raise and get one bet in on the river. If the person is tight-passive preflop, and aggressive after the flop, I 3-bet. If he caps he's got 99, if he calls he's got AK. I don't see him capping with AK any significant amount of the time, and I don't see him raising with K9. It seems to be the most profitable line if you have that read. Since hero doesn't, he shouldn't take that line. [ QUOTE ] I don't use player ratings (honestly, what is the point? I never understood that) and I don't know how mice play poker. [/ QUOTE ] to autoexport them into notes, so you can quickly notice players you know when you open a new table, and know how they play. Playerview takes 30 seconds to a minute to kick in.
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#27
04-05-2005, 09:33 AM
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Re: I lost just the right amount...Yes?
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why? [/ QUOTE ] Its an expensive way to not see a showdown. Nate wrote a post about inefficient folds once, it was really good. Go check it out.
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#28
04-05-2005, 10:30 AM
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Re: I lost just the right amount...Yes?
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[ QUOTE ] Agreed, the river call was stupid and that is being kind. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think it would be all together ridiculous to call you stupid one step before that. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]No need to rub it in. I believe I said the same thing 15 posts ago [ QUOTE ] Looking over this hand again. Once I 3-bet and it is capped I'm 90% sure he has a set and folding to the cap is the correct play unless the guy is a clown or known for pulling crap. Even calling the cap and folding the river UI is -ev because of odds. You need to hit your 2 outer 99.5% of the time unless he has loose raising standards(K7s). I could just call it down after the raise, but I think you miss out on too many bets when he has AK or QQ. It is a hard laydown, but I think to even consider yourself a decent player you need to make it. What say the night crew. [/ QUOTE ]
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#29
04-05-2005, 10:40 AM
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Re: I lost just the right amount...Yes?
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[ QUOTE ] why? [/ QUOTE ] Its an expensive way to not see a showdown. Nate wrote a post about inefficient folds once, it was really good. Go check it out. [/ QUOTE ] I'm familiar with the post, but I think this line loses you the same amount when you're behind (and his capping almost definitely means your behind), but nets you more when you're ahead (he'll almost definitely call down with AK). I don't think nate's post applies to this situation.
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