Cigars, Politics and Freedom (in that order)

[kipin]

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Cubans are in my opinion overrated, and overpriced , but to each his own.

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Because they are illegal. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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They are not illegal in Europe and they are expensive there. Its a status thing, and people are willing to pay $30 for a cigar because it will make them look cool.

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They are not illegal in Europe and they are expensive there. Its a status thing, and people are willing to pay $30 for a cigar because it will make them look cool.


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What can I say? I guess I wouldn't put this past the europeans. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

As for me, I live a very solitary life (by choice), I enjoy at least one hand made cigar every day after dinner, together with a full bottle of wine. I don't mind paying $50 or even $100 for a bottle of wine, as long as it is good, in the same way that I don't mind paying $30 or $50 for a cigar. They both have similarity of uniqueness, richness and progressing taste variation as they get consumed. I do it purely for the hedonistic view point. The only people that may be impressed are the people collecting my glass refuse every fortnight and that process is automated, so I doubt they will see it.

Enjoy kipin [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] and let me enjoy it too without attributing other reasons for my behaviour. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

OTOH, I know some people of the ilk you are describing. They are a bore, usually have no taste, and whether or not, they consume something good is usually a matter of luck.

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The Nicaraguan company Padron makes some damn fine cigars that in my mind are just as good, if not better than the Cubans I have smoked.

Cubans are in my opinion overrated, and overpriced, but to each his own.

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Hiya kipin,

One of the reason for starting this thread was to get some information about what non-Cuban gigar to give another try. Of course, I wanted to have the advice from an expert, or someone at least vey knowledgeable about Cubans.

It seems to me that the view expressed mostly by those that have a difficulty getting Cuban, is akin to the childish reaction, that if you cannot get it, then you may as well say it is bad to justify and uplift the perceived value of what you can get.

As I said in my first post, I don't smoke non-Cubans because my experience with them as been dissapointing each time I tried.

But I am prepare to give it a go, based on some seasoned advice. I do no wish to spoil my daily ritual with something that may not even be second-best.

[beta1607]

Try the CAO with cameroon wrappers. My favorite cigar by far.

[Jesse Kidd]

I apologize for the moderate thread hijack, but I had just happened to be hunting around online for cigars at the same time I spotted this. I'm a new smoker, and was looking for a sort of "variety pack" of quality smokes so that I could get a better idea of what I liked and disliked. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks for your time,

Jesse

Jesse Kid,

No problems with hijacking from my view point.

It may be useful to say which country you are from, as accesibilty is different from country to country, specially the USA. No cubans available! [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[Jesse Kidd]

From the US, so Cubans are out for the moment. At this stage, I don't think I'd appreciate them enough to warrant the effort/cost to secure them...

At the moment, I was looking at the H. Upmann Reserve No.1 or Vintage Collection, but I seriously have very little idea what I'm doing, just excited to try something.

Jesse

[jaydub]

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From the US, so Cubans are out for the moment. At this stage, I don't think I'd appreciate them enough to warrant the effort/cost to secure them...

At the moment, I was looking at the H. Upmann Reserve No.1 or Vintage Collection, but I seriously have very little idea what I'm doing, just excited to try something.

Jesse

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Go to a B&M tobacco shop. Talk to the people there, they will steer you to a few to start with. Smoke them, return to discuss likes / dislikes. Repeat.

[Inthacup]

Go to a B&M tobacco shop. Talk to the people there, they will steer you to a few to start with.

IME, B&M employees are terrible sources of information and reccomendations.

[Jesse Kidd]

I'd rather get a recommendation from you guys, or just spend some time digging online. I've gone to two shops locally, with disappointing results (service, price, and advice) both times.