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Old 01-12-2005, 09:48 PM
droidboy droidboy is offline
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SO do you now agree not raising the river is a bad play?

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Actually, you probably want to raise the turn. That way, if he three bets you and you are in fact behind, you still have outs to draw to. On the river, calling a three bet will cost you a lot more money. You should only smooth call the turn if you are dealing with an escape artist who will pay you off on the river. But even then, you should probably be raising since there are likely more hands he will pay you off with than hands he will escape with.

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Old 01-12-2005, 09:56 PM
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Whoa there, you mean to tell me Mason Malmuth isn't the best limit holdem player in the world????!!!! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 01-12-2005, 10:57 PM
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The first mathematical result of the David Sklansky Problem is that nothing Mason or David says with respect to strategy will apply to anyone's game until they become famous.

The corollary of which is that practically no one should take their advice.

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I got a friend of mine to buy SSHE. Less than a 6 months ago he did not even know what beats what in poker. When telling me of all the new stuff he learned from it, he refers to SSHE as "that Sklansky book". I guess it may be a while before the David Sklansky Problem becomes the Ed Miller Problem.
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Old 01-12-2005, 11:28 PM
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I've played with the cat. I've played with Mason. The cat is better than Mason.

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Maybe I should finish my book "Cat Poker for Advanced Felines" and submit it to Twoplustwo.

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The cat isn't the best in the world, but the cat is very good, if not a bit too tight.

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Cats are still evolving. I concede I am far from the best in the world, only that I am the best poker playing cat in the world. I've tinkered with the "too tight" style a bit lately while also making sure I'm not giving too much edge meowing around.

BTW Andrew, I had a feeling I've played with you a lot. Now are you going to make me work to figure out who you are or are you gonna be nice to the kitty and just let me know? Shoot me an email at [email protected] if you wish to share. Cats are naturally curious, ya know. Meow.

P.S. Buy my book if it comes out. It will help your cat play better poker if you own one.
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Old 01-12-2005, 11:34 PM
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Good safe bet....no flush draws.....the small straight could beat you......the only way to raise on this is if you have read the opponent for some time and you feel he/she doesn't have the straight......my guess is your opponent had the straight.

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Old 01-13-2005, 12:16 AM
Mason Malmuth Mason Malmuth is offline
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Hi Mike:

It use to be a time, only a couple of years ago, where virtually every player in the games I played in knew who I was. But I agree that's certainly not the case anymore. But I also suspect that we have sold far more books than you realize.

best wishes,
Mason
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Old 01-13-2005, 12:20 AM
Mason Malmuth Mason Malmuth is offline
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Hi 1800:

I think I've said very clearly that I think the decision on the river is close. I also think I said that after the hand was over I thought that I had misplayed it and that's part of the reason for posting it. However, after reading all the posts and carefully going over all the reasoning for the hand, it looks to me like my call is slightly better than a raise. But if you change the parameters just a little, and in most games they would change at least this much, then a raise becomes the better play.

Best wishes,
Mason
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Old 01-13-2005, 12:27 AM
Mason Malmuth Mason Malmuth is offline
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Hi Tim:

Given Ed's talent, we think he will become very famous in this field. So in time he will deal with it as well.

Best wishes,
mason
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Old 01-13-2005, 12:50 AM
mike l. mike l. is offline
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"But I also suspect that we have sold far more books than you realize."

no i have some idea. i have a pretty good understanding of what it takes to have the amazon sales rank you have for your titles since i work part time selling books on there. you guys have sold tons and tons of books.

but there's a big difference between how many people buy your books and how many actually read them. and then another big difference between those who read them and those who apply them to their game. fortunately that final number is still very very small.
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Old 01-13-2005, 12:54 AM
Mason Malmuth Mason Malmuth is offline
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Hi Mike:

You are correct. But as you move up in limit, a higher percentage of players are very aware who we are. This is especially true in Las Vegas.

Best wishes,
Mason
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