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#211
03-15-2005, 01:49 PM
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Re: Disprove the Bible
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Hi Voltaire, I just want to say I disagree with you. Why isn't another possibility that God created a world with free will but no evil? If he never introduced evil into the world, we wouldn't have the will to perform it. Thanks! Jason. [/ QUOTE ] If there were no evil in the world, then you would be constrained from doing evil as well. In other words, your will would be constrained. In other words, your will would not be free. 
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#212
03-15-2005, 02:56 PM
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Jason_t, ffs. Did you not read my earlier response to one of your posts?
1) Committing a sin is to turn your back to God. 2) Committing a sin is what you would call "evil". 3) The reason we can turn our back to God is because he created us with free will. 4) The thing you call "evil" is a consequence of free will. 5) Yes, if God declared that you must kill kittens, then killing kittens would be "good", and not killing kittens would be "evil." Just like how God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Issac, then so be it. I think you are very confused on the concept of "evil" in Christianity. Evil is not a separate force from good. Rather evil is a consequence of not doing what God commands. If we have free will, then a consequence of being able to choose creates Evil. Here is a little story that should help clarify everything. ********** Does evil exist? The university professor challenged his students with this question. Did God create everything that exists? A student bravely replied, "Yes, he did!" "God created everything? The professor asked. "Yes sir", the student replied. The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God created evil since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are then God is evil". The student became quiet before such an answer. The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth. Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question professor?" "Of course", replied the professor. The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?" "What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?" The students snickered at the young man's question. The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat; all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat." The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?" The professor responded, "Of course it does." The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present." Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?" Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course as I have already said. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil." To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light." The professor sat down. **********
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#213
03-15-2005, 03:07 PM
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If there were no evil in the world, then you would be constrained from doing evil as well. In other words, your will would be constrained. In other words, your will would not be free. [/ QUOTE ] I am already constrained from doing lots of other things.
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#214
03-15-2005, 03:12 PM
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I am already constrained from doing lots of other things. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, but those constraints are due to the laws of physics, etc. Moral constraints are different.
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#215
03-15-2005, 05:23 PM
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Re: Disprove the Bible
I didn't read the entire thread, but in regards to the age of the earth....
It could have been millions of years between each day of creation. For example, between day 1 and 2, there was no sun, right? So what constitutes 1 day in that span? The Bible doesn't say 24 HOURS. Each day of "creation" is just a way to think about how the earth formed. God didn't necessarily have to create everything in the particular order that it said in the Bible. That was just the way to think about how the Earth was formed for people long ago. And to say God didn't create the universe, but a "Big Bang" did or something to that effect, that doesn't mean God had no hand in creating the universe. The way he created the universe could have been he initiated the Big Bang. There is (arguably) nothing inherently inconsistent with the Bible and Science.
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#216
03-15-2005, 08:28 PM
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I believe this book is true. [/ QUOTE ] Good for you. I respect your choice. Give me one reason to believe the same that doesn't include anything in the bible....
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#217
03-15-2005, 08:37 PM
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[ QUOTE ] I believe this book is true. [/ QUOTE ] Good for you. I respect your choice. Give me one reason to believe the same that doesn't include anything in the bible.... [/ QUOTE ] Dozens of archaelogical finds.
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#220
03-15-2005, 11:01 PM
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Dozens of archaelogical finds. [/ QUOTE ] Which ones? And be specific, and how they prove statements in the bible directly related to Christianity and not related to just ancient civilizations. And I hope that you don't mean all the ones that have been faked. One could do the same for other religions and I don't think it proves anything. Or Beowulf.
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