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Old 07-12-2005, 05:45 PM
teddyFBI teddyFBI is offline
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Default Re: WSOP Day 4: \"Official\" News, Results, and Discussion

Anyone get an update on how many players remain??
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Old 07-12-2005, 05:45 PM
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Default Re: Updated Chip Counts

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Nick Cassavettes $500,000 0 0

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Anybody know if this is the director? Son of the great John Cassavettes?
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Old 07-12-2005, 05:46 PM
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Default Re: Neverwin at featured table

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i seriously hope it gets down to neverwin and raymer

cuz it'll be a flame war on both sites

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Neverwin's heads up experience will give him a huge advantage in that match-up if their stacks are within 20% of each other, confirm/deny?
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Old 07-12-2005, 05:46 PM
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Default Re: Boyd eliminated

Anyone know how many's left?
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Old 07-12-2005, 05:47 PM
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Default Re:How many left

Date / Time: 2005-07-12 14:35:00
Title: Field Update: 147 Players Remaining
Log: There are 147 players left in the fight for the final table and a first prize of $7.5 million. The average chip stack at this point is about $382,000.
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Old 07-12-2005, 05:48 PM
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Default Re: Neverwin at featured table

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Best hand of the day and nobody posts it...

Cliff Cantor: Out With a Bang ($46,245)
Log: What does a bad beat sound like? Cliff Cantor is all in, and when the river card falls, he lets out the F-Bomb loud enough for the entire tournament area to hear. Since he is eliminated on the hand, the ten-minute penalty is pretty irrelevant. Cliff Cantor is eliminated somewhere between 150-160, earning $46,245.

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Quote from Cantor
After flopping a set and getting rivered by a flush, Cliff Cantor had this to say "Even donkeys need love."

Kevin...
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Old 07-12-2005, 05:48 PM
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Default Re: Boyd eliminated

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I don't get when it became bad poker to let your opponent see a flop. Presumably, if an ace flops, the guy is going to avoid going broke. The large majority of the time, the guy is going to win an extra 50k; only in rare cases will he lose an extra 250k by letting Greg see the flop. Even in the actual hand, Greg got a great flop and was only even money.

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It was a mistake because he allowed Greg to not make a mistake by calling. Greg would have called that bet even if the guy flipped his KK up on the table. He violated the Fundamental Theorem of Poker -- anytime your opponent plays the same as he would if he could see your cards, he gains and you lose.

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Exactly, in matter of fact he virtually did flip his cards up. Greg knows it is KK or AA (leaning to KK because he has an ace), and by having A10 in his hands if an A comes, he can deduce AA and try and trap his opponnent holding KK.

By pushing Greg might make a mistake if he had AK or QQ.
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Old 07-12-2005, 05:50 PM
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Default Re: Boyd eliminated

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Anyone know how many's left?

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Looks like 145 with the recent eliminations.
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Old 07-12-2005, 05:52 PM
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Default Re: Boyd eliminated

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It was a mistake because he allowed Greg to not make a mistake by calling. Greg would have called that bet even if the guy flipped his KK up on the table. He violated the Fundamental Theorem of Poker -- anytime your opponent plays the same as he would if he could see your cards, he gains and you lose.

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Well, is that true? Greg is ahead on the flop like what, 1/6 of the time? And the remaining 5/6, the guy picks up the pot including an extra 50k.

Also, talking about it as a face-up situation ignores the fact that Greg will sometimes call the flop bet when he's behind. I think the only way it becomes a mathematical mistake is if the guy plans on pushing the flop even if an ace comes.
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Old 07-12-2005, 05:54 PM
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Default Re: Boyd eliminated

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I don't get when it became bad poker to let your opponent see a flop. Presumably, if an ace flops, the guy is going to avoid going broke. The large majority of the time, the guy is going to win an extra 50k; only in rare cases will he lose an extra 250k by letting Greg see the flop. Even in the actual hand, Greg got a great flop and was only even money.

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It was a mistake because he allowed Greg to not make a mistake by calling. Greg would have called that bet even if the guy flipped his KK up on the table. He violated the Fundamental Theorem of Poker -- anytime your opponent plays the same as he would if he could see your cards, he gains and you lose.

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Exactly, in matter of fact he virtually did flip his cards up. Greg knows it is KK or AA (leaning to KK because he has an ace), and by having A10 in his hands if an A comes, he can deduce AA and try and trap his opponnent holding KK.

By pushing Greg might make a mistake if he had AK or QQ.

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You can't be serious that Greg is supposed to call if the guy's range of hands is AA or KK.
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