Seattle Cardroom Advice

[stir]

Not only are the rules poor, but they deal 8 decks with 2-1/2 to 3 cutoff. Almost any of the mini casinos offer a relatively better game of BJ than the Muck.

[bernie]

If you want to play beatable BJ, the state of washington is not the place to do it. It sucks up here.

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[goofball]

i've played 3/6 and 4/8 at kenmore lanes, the hideaway, the drift on inn, tulalip, goldies, and diamond lil's

those games are all very beatable. i think at those limits it doesn't really matter where you go.

the 10/20 at the hideaway is also soft, just not as soft as the 4/8 but with teh $2 rake, the price is right.

[lostinthought]

yeah, we're not going there for the blackjack..
it's just something he can do while I play poker..

[stir]

Not entirely true. Beatsble games of two years ago are pretty much gone, however there are a few exceptions.

However, in hopes of preserving the advantage, I won't discuss any specifics.

[MrPoker]

Not certain where the casino is, I found it next to a truck stop after leaving seattle and getting caught in some mountain pass eastbound. It snowed in late April.

Anyways, it was called 'Cleopatras', with a big neon sign that said, "CA NO".

$2.00 minimum, 50 max, I chatted with the pit boss tryin to get a 'meal' comp and asked him if I could use my PDA on the table while I played if I promise not to win more than 100, and if I do, I will give the overage to the dealers. The idiot said yes, and I played with my PDA, 4 deck shoe with deep penetration, rookie dealer, and calculator program running, while I kept a perfect count with side counts on aces and fives. I play one hand, minimum bet.
The count became huge, I placed two $20 hands, hit a BJ on one, 20 on the other, dealer shows a 6 and breaks.

This goes on awhile, I have 210 in front of me. I cash out 100, and ask the dealer if she wants me to decide what to do with the 110 tip. She says yes, it becomes 250 before I need to leave. I'm asked to return, the table thought I was remarkable cause I never lost a 'big' bet, and yet they kept plodding along with their 2 -5 bets. sheesh.

Tap on my shoulder. Young guy, shirt says 'Security'. He asks what that is, I told him a pocket computer, I'm counting the cards" and he says, "OK. Can I get you a drink!"

I can't imagine the place is still in business.

As for poker, I visited several places, names forgotten they were that impressive, except for Muckleshoot.

I found the dealers as a team when I visited were way above par for the numerous others rooms I've visited throughout the country. Most are excellent. The poker comp policy is meager, 1 'meal' per calender day.

I liked the room very much, it was busy, the low limit game loose and eaasy, (about 18-20 tables total) and highly reccomend it when you're in the area. They also have two bad beat jackpots, the super was over 200K. SF over SF.

[wayabvpar]

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way above par

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You rang?

I would agree with that, actually. The Muck's dealers are solid as a group. Try Tulalip sometime to see the other side of the coin; the entire operation is breathtakingly incompetent.

[bernie]

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Try Tulalip sometime to see the other side of the coin; the entire operation is breathtakingly incompetent

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Which is too bad. I hear their room is fantastic. I haven't made the trip up there yet to play at the new place, but i shudder when i remember the lazy dealers up there when i was there awhile back.

Mucks has a couple dolts dealing. One in particular. But they are by far the minority. They are a great group to hang out with in a cardbarn.

Now the waitresses...

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[bernie]

I know this is a late response.

An individual game can be beatable. Yes. But preservation of said game is very limited. The reason i said this state sucks is that you need a multitude of good beatable games within decent driving distance to really take advantage of the game. Not just win a session. When the reno games were good in the early/mid 90s, it was a goldmine for awhile. All the games were very close by and accessible.

Yes, i know of places that have gravy games too. Wizards in burien was one. Go kick some ass in there for a week or so str8 then look for another place close. It's just not ideal up here. At all.

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[stir]

W isn't bad, but not as good as it was, due to higher min bet on DD. Also I would be reluctant playing a week str8.
I'd prefer to hit them more sporadically over a period of time. They've booted a lot of AP's over the years.

As to your overall point that it's not ideal up here, I don't disagree.