Playing KK on Level 1

[Colby818]

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you commit 40% of your stack

This is Party. 400 is 50% of your starting stack.

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This is a Party 50/5, you start at 1000. It is 40%.

[sabre170]

The more callers of the all-in, the better.
They are probably holding each others' outs.

[obex]

I thought that it was not worth the risk of being crippled early either by someone with AA or having my hand not hold up against 3 others. Surely I could play my way into the money from 900 at such an early level, right? Let a couple people get knocked out of the tourney right now while I watch from the sidelines.
So...

Hero folded.

Flop: (t1325) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">BB bets t600 (All-In)</font>, MP1 calls t600 (All-In), MP2 folds.

Turn: (t2525) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t2525) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t2525
<font color="green">Main Pot: t2525 (t2525), between BB and MP1.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by BB (t2525).</font>

Results:
BB shows Jh Js (two pair, jacks and twos).
MP1 shows 5c 5h (two pair, fives and twos).
Outcome: BB wins t2525. </font>

Hero goes on to a fourth place finish.
The End.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

You know, I looked back, and it sure looks like they started with 1000. But since this is the SNG forum, I assumed it was a Party SNG where you start with 800. Upon rereading the original post, it must be a multi.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

So you're telling me that Party changes the structure above $30 + 3. Live and learn.

[MWC]

I don't play in the 50/5s, but I can't fold this and I can't just call it either. Surely a push is the maximum EV play (albeit with a higher variance): we all know that BB and MP1 are not the only Party players who'd be in there with JJ and 55. If you get cracked, you move to the next table, knowing that you're still a +ROI player.

[Colby818]

I don't think either of allin or folding are the wrong decision. I'd personally push, for exactly what your results showed. a small pair and a middle pair. heck, hindsight is 20/20, but you'd have even drawn out on AA.

I leave folding as an option, because say this had been the WSOP and you had bought in with $10k of your own cash and you were raised to $4000 in the opening round, I'd have to seriously think about laying it down. So, if losing $10 is a big deal, then fold. You obviously maintain a chance to win if you fold and it turns out he would have beaten you. But, if you run away from every hand that you might lose, I'm not sure folding really does improve your chances of winning.

Colby

[obex]

Yeah Party 30 and lower starts at 800, 50 and above starts at 1000. I wish it was 1000 at all levels.

[gergery]

Really this comes down to a simple question: Would you rather have
1) a ton of chips most of the time but get eliminated the rest of the time, or
2) less chips but still alot of chips most of the time but a short stack the rest of the time.

Is the plus from the difference between 'a ton vs. a lot' worth more than the minus between 'short stck' vs. 'the rail'?

It's personal preference. I like option two because I think i can outplay them later, so in your scenario I call then push unless an ace hits. The key is that the other limpers are more likely to fold when they miss the flop (which happens most of the time), whereas they are very likely to call preflop. And I always prefer my opponents folding when the pot is huge, even if i'm a big favorite.

FYI, A very similar situation happened to me at a Party $20 sng. 4 of us ended up almost all in preflop early in tourny. Ace hits flop and i muck KK to stay alive as very short stck. They had 55, A8o, QQ. so A8 wins the pot.

So the moral of the story is never fold KK at Party Poker.

[GuidoSarducci]

On Party, I think the $50+$5 and above tourneys start with T1000. Only the low buyin ones are short.