50-100 - Is having a third nut good?

[risen]

is 22 the 13th best hand in hold em?

[The Bear]

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is 22 the 13th best hand in hold em?

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You're kidding, right? How many times has this been covered?

[Clarkmeister]

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is 22 the 13th best hand in hold em?

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I actually forgot AKs. So the 6th best hand. TT is better than AKo though.

[SinCityGuy]

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I actually forgot AKs. So the 6th best hand. TT is better than AKo though.

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CM,

This is probably splitting hairs, but I believe that AQs is about 0.01 EV over TT. Almost dead even.

[Ulysses]

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is 22 the 13th best hand in hold em?

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Was that supposed to be a joke, some sort of rip on Clarky's statement re: TT, or a serious question?

If the latter, no.

[SinCityGuy]

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is 22 the 13th best hand in hold em?

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No, it's the 70th best hand in holdem. Do you see why?

[andyfox]

FWIW, from twodimes:

Tc Td 44.59%
Kd Qs 36.27%
7h 7c 18.90%

Two face card, A-xs and smaller pocket pairs are the kinds of hands with which guys cold-call in my game.
Tc Td 37.33%
Kd Qs 31.54%
Ac 7c 30.82%

[David Steele]

This is a 3-way sim not 4-way. HPFAP suggests you want a
raised pot with three as well as two but don't want it with 4 or 5.

Here is another ( not very useful ) twodimes example with 4 way.

Tc Td 0.277
Qs Kd 0.227
Ac 7c 0.302
Ks Js 0.194

After the flop the top pair hands get to pump things up while the 10's guess whether to stay in.

The JJ holds its own by a tiny margin going cold all the way to the river, but it gets crushed if there is bigger pair out and when you factor in the times you have to fold an eventual winner, I don't believe the auto-raise is right.

Everyone agrees if there are some really terrible callers the raise is ok.

Limp with 10's if it fits the game.

D.

[Clarkmeister]

"HPFAP suggests you want a raised pot with three as well as two but don't want it with 4 or 5 (with JJ and TT)."

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this part of HPFAP is dead wrong unless you are playing against very tough opponents.

[David Steele]

I wasn't informing you about the book of course, I know you have said it again. I was pointing out that Andy's example was 3 handed not 4 handed where the book suggests avoding it. At least we should look at an actual example.

When I look at 4 handed sims, it doesn't convince me that the raise is right. Neither does anointing 10's as the 5th best hand in holdem.

D.