2-4 nl @ palms...

[Ben]

It seems like you could put them on overcards or overpairs...

That flop is very not scary for overpairs and they called you preflop. I think I would have put them on large-ish pairs.

Am I missing some factors?

[limon]

yes, they limped in and didnt re-raise me. no large pairs here. remember these dudes "know" poker, theyve seen the wpt they know to make a big raise pre flop w/ dogs balls.

[AJo Go All In]

i'm completely baffled by this post.

exactly how is this game so good? it looks terrible from the way you described this hand. i mean, i guess i could buy it if you were saying it was so tight that you could push everyone around, but everything else you said seems to contradict that.. wpt tools, kid with flames and dice etc.

[limon]

the kid limped and called a raise back to him w/J4...need i say more? ok i will say more, he would have been willing to call $100 on the river no prob w/ just the jack no kicker and a player to act behind him.

[AJo Go All In]

then why were you done with the hand after you got called on the flop?

[limon]

i got overcalled. AND I WAS RIGHT. i knew one of them had a hand (odds on).

[AJo Go All In]

what more do i have to explain? bad players can overcall with garbage. you are contradicting yourself.

[1800GAMBLER]

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i have 7c4c and decide to take controll of the pot rasie to $15

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Why take control of the pot? This hand is x,x and in this game x,x just isn't profitable for a steal, it's a good game.

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446 i bet 30 both kids call. at this point im done with the hand

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I thought it was a good game? Admintly it's possible they would limp a 4 but they would also (and more likely due to combinations) call with overcards to that six here.

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value bet i figure the kids will payoff with alot of hands

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So after just a turn check your totally changed your opinion?

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yes, they limped in and didnt re-raise me. no large pairs here.

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Preflop bad players will limp with 77 88 99 TT JJ and also play the flop that way. Hell, even AA.

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i decide i have to call cause the kid could have any 4 or a worse full

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You don't include any suits or how much money is behind but i think you missed a reraise, the kid could have well played 4,x like this and will call with it.

[The Gift Of Gab]

few things i don't understand...

i raise with hands like this all the time but almost always in position. any raise i make from the blinds will be 1-200% of the pot, enough that maybe no one will take a flop with me. to do this out of position with seven high i want my targets to be open books who will either lose a huge pot with top pair or fold it readily.

you were there and apparently did the right thing shutting down on the turn, but aren't guys who play j4 going to turn up with hands like k6s and 75 more often than trips? it's not like you got called by two good players.

the results are unfortunate and you'll obviously lose something no matter how the early streets go down. i just want to know why you decided to take control early in this situation.

[1800GAMBLER]

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who will either lose a huge pot with top pair

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This no way can be profitable, the times they will flop top pair you you will flop/make on the turn a better hand is just so rare (quick math being you make 2 pair/better 1/20th * they make pair * 1/3rd, means 60 times deeper stacks than your preflop raise) that in most cases (UB stacks) it's not profitable. Moreso, they would also lose the their stacks had you not raised preflop, making limping more +EV than raising. So it would have to be like a 9:1 ratio that they fold top pair than lose their stack with top pair ... unless you are talking about your live games.