"Action" vs. "Weak-Tight," explain please?

[Ben]

Pshht.

He probably meant "muddled."

[ML4L]

Hey scrub,

The quote is by Mike Caro. I intentionally omitted his name because I hate being one of those lame people who spouts off "wisdom" from prominent poker writers, but I agree; it is one hell of a quote. Definitely my favorite poker-writer-quote that I've come across...

Just google "Mike Caro ignorant" and it'll take you straight to the article...

ML4L

PS to Ben: He probably did mean muffled; Dr. Seuss-esque...

[scrub]

Wow--I never would have guessed Caro. I'll have to go check out the article.

Thanks!

scrub

[Gildersneeze]

An excellent quote, and one I'll remember. Here's one for you that's sort of on topic, but not enough to act as a standalone reply.

"It has often been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out the fact that the emperor wears no clothes. But the half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor."

In other words, some people in this thread who want to quickly point out others' faults have plenty of faults of their own. But it's usually the quickest and loudest to point out others' faults that are the most flawed, as they try to draw attention from theirs and to others, while sadly never realizing that all the effort does nothing to actually CORRECT their own flaws.

On Topic: Cris, I'll give an example of a guy who sat down in my Saturday Night NL game. No matter his pre-flop holdings or raisings, he constantly ended up seeing monsters under the bed. He folded a lot pre-flop (tight), and later on all streets to any substantial bet, unless he had the stone-cold nuts (weak), so if he actually called your bet and your hand didn't improve to the current nuts, you knew to check it to him and fold to a large bet.

I don't remember how many times he layed down what would have been the best hand from the flop on down just because it wasn't the pure nuts and someone bet into him. He proclaimed it after several hands were done. "Maaaan, I folded JTs to your $5 bet," on a JTK flop where he would have filled up on the turn, certain he was going up against trip Kings (I held AKo and ended up winning with Kings and Tens, Ace High to Kings and Tens, Queen High). I must have bluffed/semi-bluffed him out fifteen times, let alone what other people did to the poor lad.

Had he just figured on his Two-Pair with the back-door flush/royal draw (King on board was King of Diamonds, suited with his JT) being a lot better than he did, he would have grabbed a buttload of money from me and the other guy (final board: JTKT2, showdown: Me: AKo Other player KQs).

He called my $5 raise preflop, and then let it go for five bucks post-flop because he was "sure he was beat." Weak-tight, IMHO.

[Ben]

Cris-

I've always called the first group of players LAGs (loose-aggressives). Loose preflop and then aggressive later. I find the majority of the low-limits players I'm against fall in this category--they're easy money if you have good hand selection.

Weak-tight to me simply means 'easily pushed off a hand.'

-Ben

[turnipmonster]

when I think of weak-tight players, I am in general thinking of players that will only bet strong hands, and generally fold to significant aggression. although I think some weak tight players can be too loose preflop, generally I think of weak tight players, I am thinking of players that are tight on all streets. players that play in very tough, very aggressive games sometimes look weak tight, because a calling/trapping strategy can be very effective against an overaggressive opponent.

when I think of action players, I think of players who will call raises with anything preflop, and play fairly aggressively postflop. generally, the best players in my game are action players with good reading skills and deep stacks.

weak tight players are generally very easy to read and play against, until they learn to mix up their play. I get a lot of respect (folds to my bets/raises) in my game, so about 3 times an hour I checkraise the flop no matter what I have and generally take it down. until someone from my game figures out that I am doing this, it's a great strategy. since I generally play with a short stack, I play tighter than most players and I'm sure some people think of me as weak tight. In my opinion it's a fine image to have as long as I am using that image to steal small pots.

--turnipmonster

[gavrilo]

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when I think of weak-tight players, I am in general thinking of players that will only bet strong hands, and generally fold to significant aggression. although I think some weak tight players can be too loose preflop, generally I think of weak tight players, I am thinking of players that are tight on all streets. players that play in very tough, very aggressive games sometimes look weak tight, because a calling/trapping strategy can be very effective against an overaggressive opponent.

when I think of action players, I think of players who will call raises with anything preflop, and play fairly aggressively postflop. generally, the best players in my game are action players with good reading skills and deep stacks.

weak tight players are generally very easy to read and play against, until they learn to mix up their play. I get a lot of respect (folds to my bets/raises) in my game, so about 3 times an hour I checkraise the flop no matter what I have and generally take it down. until someone from my game figures out that I am doing this, it's a great strategy. since I generally play with a short stack, I play tighter than most players and I'm sure some people think of me as weak tight. In my opinion it's a fine image to have as long as I am using that image to steal small pots.

--turnipmonster

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This is an awesome point. I think this is worth rereading. If you have this image, use it effectively.

[The WET BEAVER]

So how does someone with 1487 posts not know what weak-tight means?

CrisBrown posts alot in the Psyche forum where she brownoses Dr. Schoonmaker. If she actually read his book she would get a very detailed answer to her question. Or maybe Cris is just a narcissistic writer who is too lazy to read books by other people.

[AJo Go All In]

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So how does someone with 1487 posts not know what weak-tight means?

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good point.

[Daann]

Does it really matter how many posts she has, she's asking for advice. And isn't that what this forum is for at the end of the day? Rather than for people to act like ****wits.