Moral question - bots

[Nottom]

What the hell do antes have to do with collusion?

[dirty_dan]

Can't wait until you piss off the wrong people and end up as fish food.

[jedi]

Now here's a response. Basically, they're saying that because everyone else is doing it, we can do it also. That's practically the definition of having no ethics. In addition, the bot can CHEAT. That's not only unethical, it's immoral. (Thou shalt not cheat, anyone?).

Basically, what we just got was a rationalization, which falls short of ethics. Mr. WinHoldEmSupport, you are no better than the worst politician.

[Freudian]

Is selling a pokerbot that is lousy at playing hold'em for 200$ immoral?

Another question. Are you guys fearing for your personal safety? I know if I tried to market any product that was hurting casinos business I would be quite concerned.

[sumdumguy]

IMHO, it would be wrong:
1. The bot never tilts.
2. The bot never tires.

If your bot was sophisticated enough to create and utilize an opponent database, it would also have an unnatural advantage over its human opponents.

Having said that, I find it unlikely that you could make a bot competent at multi-opponent holdem all that easily.

[SoBeDude]

There is nothing inherently right or wrong with a bot. The problem comes where your bot's opponent's views come in to play.

If I sit at an online table, I'm there to play against PEOPLE. Now if someone is using a bot without my knowledge or consent against me, THAT IS WRONG.

On the other hand, if its announced that you're using a bot and no one cares at the table, then the bot usage is fine.

The fair assumption is I'm playing against people, as that is what the sites are designed to do. That is what I log on to do. I have no interest in currently playing against bots.

Perhaps sites could create bot-friendly tables and your bots can bash each other's brains out ad nauseum and leave us real players alone?

-Scott

[DOMIT]

[thirddan]

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Perhaps sites could create bot-friendly tables and your bots can bash each other's brains out ad nauseum and leave us real players alone?


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Well put...

[Acenothing]

On line casinos have allowed many new ways of play that would be considered cheating in a real casino.

Examples, try sitting down at a table at the Commerce Casino with 3 people sitting behind you:

1. When your get your cards show them to the people sitting with you and ask them what you should do.

2. Try playing a tournement and half way through it get up and let you brother (or who ever) play for you.

3. Try sending a message to a player at your table. Let them know what you have and they tell you the same.

4. Lets people watching the game make any comment they want about the hand or the players during a hand. (my personal pet pevee)

I think you see my point. Online is NOT the same as playing in a casino. We need to adjust our play and our strategy KNOWING people are playing different than they would in a casino. I do not even know if a couple of my examples are cheating online but they are playing styles. I say go ahead and write your bot because I am not sure that players can not crush bot, at least today. Remember it took YEARS for IBM to program a computer to play chess well enough to beat even a novice player and I doubt you or any of these other companies have the resources of an IBM to bring to this problem.

[bigpooch]