clear case of cheating on party?

[Michael O'Malley]

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"Temporary citizen of India"

I believe it is correct that you are an alien in India. I believe that you have been an alien for some time, well except for inside most bars were I truely believe you are a respected citizen.

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There is a bar in the hotel that i am staying in called The Dublin. They think I am some kind of celebrity there. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[Michael O'Malley]

Here is the hand history:
15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) - Fri Jan 09 23:31:02 EST 2004
Table Card Room Table 4250 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: Player 1 (755)
Seat 3: Player 2 (755)
Seat 4: Player 3 (800)
Seat 5: Player 4 (800)
Seat 7: Player 5 (2840)
Seat 9: alhwre (1780)
Seat 10: Player 6 (270)
Player 6 posts small blind (10)
Player 1 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Player 2 folds.
Player 3 folds.
Player 4 folds.
Player 5 calls (15)
alhwre folds.
Player 6 calls (5)
Player 1 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jh, 5h, Qd ]
Player 6 bets (100)
Player 1 folds.
Player 5 calls (100)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7c ]
Player 6 bets (150)
Player 5 calls (150)
** Dealing River ** : [ 2s ]
Player 6 bets (5)
Player 6 calls all-In.
Player 1: 110/1
Player 1: how hard is that?
Player 5 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $550 with Player 6
** Summary **
Main Pot: 550
Board: [ Jh 5h Qd 7c 2s ]
Player 1 balance 740, lost 15 (folded)
Player 2 balance 755, didn't bet (folded)
Player 3 balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
Player 4 balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
Player 5 balance 2575, lost 265 (folded)
alhwre balance 1780, didn't bet (folded)
Player 6 balance 550, bet 270, collected 550, net +280

Without knowing what Player 5 folded this looks like a case of someone calling with a draw and not getting there. 9T? 2 small hearts? I dont know, but personally this would not have caught my eye.
I will have investigations looks into the two players involved and get back to you.

[Cubswin]

I agree with you on this one. There was a good chance the player was on a draw. I am still interested in what happens to these investigations after they are completed. Are they permenantly logged in case there is another potential issue down the line?

[Michael O'Malley]

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I agree with you on this one. There was a good chance the player was on a draw. I am still interested in what happens to these investigations after they are completed. Are they permenantly logged in case there is another potential issue down the line?

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I am really not in a postion to answer your question because my knowledge of how the investigation team operates is limited. I do know that if someone reports a case it IS logged into that persons account for future reference.

[MS Sunshine]

"Player 1: 110/1
Player 1: how hard is that?"

This comment then he folds.

At my house we have a few rules. One is:

Never needle anyone when they miss their hand, for they might look for another target for their anger besides the mouse or keyboard.

This comment is, by my morals, out of bounds. I don't think this was a misclick. I don't think he liked your tone with him. I think he folded to frost your ass.

MS Sunshine

[Cubswin]

Michael

Thanks for the reply. Does that mean that even in cases where the investigations team found that there were no instances of collusion or all in abuse the complaint is still logged?

Thanks in advance
cubswin

[MicroBob]

i've seen players fold on a board of
TJQKA (no flush)

i've also seen folds on a board of
2222A (2 of the other players involved totally ripped this player)

and we've all seen the SB fold when the BB was sitting out.
i've also seen the sb fold when a short-stacked BB could only put in a couple dollars to go all-in.

the blind folds could be an auto-fold....but some people also play multiple tables and lose their way a bit...
and don't forget, some people are just plain stupid.

i'm not saying there wasn't chip dumping....ifyou suspect it that strongly then you are probably right....but you asked for examples of similar sb folds and i thought i would point out that stupid play is sometimes just stupid play....thats how party's 'award winning detection team' has to approach it anyway.

[Legend27]

I have seen players accidently fold in no limit when some goes all in on the flop and some calls. The person who raises all-in always has 5 cents remaining. I've seen people fold when the all in has bet 5 cents 3 times now. Those pots were at least 100 bucks in all of them. 2 times they said the folded accidently and one guy actually folded on purpose.

[Losing all]

You could be right, but I don't think that's the case. btw- I don't usually say a whole lot, he was taking 30 seconds on each round of this hand.

So no one thinks this was funny at all huh?, maybe you had to be there. I'll go crawl back into my hole now.

[Rushmore]

Funny you should mention that. I made that mistake (folding to a $1.00 bet on the river of a $400 pot) in a NL game last week. I almost fell off my chair.

But it's the sort of thing you only do once.

P.S. It doesn't sound like that's what happened here. Sounds more like cheating.