Public Announcement - Zionist Revealed!

[Gamblor]

Why did so many Jews not return, then, to their homeland?

Weakness.

Why does New York have the largest Jewish population of any city in the world?
$ and relative acceptance pre '48. Post-'48, comfort.

Why did Herzl consider Uganda as a possible homeland for the Jews?

That solution was a temporary refuge for Jews in Russia in immediate danger from pogroms. It was first discussed in Basle, Aug 23, 1903 and was never fully accepted by the Zionist movement.

Herzl made it plainly clear that this program would not affect the ultimate aim of Zionism, a Jewish entity in the Land of Israel, but the proposal still aroused a storm at the Congress and nearly led to a split in the Zionist movement. The Jewish Territorialist Organization (ITO) was formed as a result of the unification of various groups who had supported Herzl's Uganda proposals during the period 1903*-1905.

The Uganda Program was finally rejected by the Zionist movement at the Seventh Zionist Congress in 1905.

Noam Chomsky is Jewish, does he understand?

No, he doesn't. I'm going to venture that you don't go to synogogue on Shabbat, nor do you light candles- not evil, bad, etc. etc. You're just not a practicing Jew. That's your free choice.

Anti-Zionism among Jews is a strictly ultra-secular and ultra-religious phenomenon. We know the reasons behind the ultra-religious phenomenon, let's examine the ultra-secular one.

My theory is that ultra-secular Jews became as such out of a single desire: assimilation. Jews have gone so long without being accepted anywhere (except China, which is another story altogether) that, psychologically, they longed for acceptance so badly that many began to emulate the lifestyles of the nations they inhabited. The birth of the Reform movement in the United States is an excellent example of this. Chomsky (despite his father's occupation), yearned for acceptance so badly that he signed Faurrisson's petition to allow him to continue to teach his students that the Holocaust didn't exist! I won't even go into the Khmer Rouge incident.

To put in perspective Chomsky's defense of Professor Robert Faurisson's right to teach, consider that Chomsky is a free-speech absolutist. As Chomsky put it himself, "Nothing should be done to impede people from teaching and doing their research, even if at that very moment it was being used to massacre and destroy." It's one thing to teach hate. It's another to teach pure, blatant, falsehoods.

It's a little of that, and a lot of Stockholm Syndrome. So many Jews today have spent their whole lives learning about how they have been persecuted for centuries, they simply don't have any explanation, other than "The Jews must deserve it." Perhaps the story of Daniel Burros serves as the best example.

As for the rest of it, I agree for the most part. But with the Jewish nation comes the Jewish religion. Whether or not the Zionists were especially religious is irrelevant. Jews have also lived in Spain and all over the Middle East at some point. But they yearned for return to the homeland specified by the bible, not any random slice of land.

[Gamblor]

It's a little of that, and a lot of Stockholm Syndrome. So many Jews today have spent their whole lives learning about how they have been persecuted for centuries, they simply don't have any explanation, other than "The Jews must deserve it." Perhaps the story of Daniel Burros serves as the best example.

It may not be as simple as "We must deserve it"

Many Jews are comfortable with their semi-assimilated status. They view any attempts to strengthen or even perpetuate the Jewish faith or nationality as affronts to their ultimate goal of pure assimilation. Thousands of these people exist, and every once in a while, an intelligent member of this group emerges. Chonsky, who despite his intelligence is awfully deluded about the intentions of many people. Norman Finkelstein is another great example. He feels he is embodying some noble cause but in the end his desire is clear - assimilation and acceptance by the non-Jewish mainstream.

Perhaps this is what has kept the Jews alive all these years - the conviction that what they are doing is right, despite the internal elements that tell them otherwise.

[ACPlayer]

When living in a country, should a citizen be first true to country or religion?

Should an Arab who is US citizen be first true to America or to other Arabs?

Should an Italian American be called to fight against Poland be allowed to say, "sorry cant do it"?

Should a Jewish American say things that are best for the US or for a Jewish cause.

Perhaps Chomsky is just a great AMERICAN thinker.

[Gamblor]

And these are the questions that make the need for Israel most obvious.

Who should one be most loyal to? His state, his nation or his religion?

Don't get me wrong, they are perfectly valid and thought provoking questions. And they are extremely important to answer.

I'd like to add my own answer: An individual should be most concerned with his self-preservation. Self, obviously, includes his moral self-standards, i.e. preservation of his morals. If he feels his morals/life/etc. are put more in jeopardy by supporting the USA than his Judaism, then Israeli it is.

But as long as the questions need to be asked, there will be those that will enforce their answers upon the questionees (read: Cyrus, Chris Alger).

Israel cuts out the necessity of those questions for the Jewish, anyway. Once he gets there, he'll realize he's got 5 million people with 6 million different opinions on what should be done with the territories, the government, the socialist nature of the state. But he won't have to worry about whether the government will suddenly declare itself judenrein, as the PLO desires in the West Bank.

[ArchAngel71857]

It means that you are a human being freed from the Matrix. You now know the world is a dream world, constructed to enslave humanity. They are onto you now. be careful.

Cyrus's post was funny. Add the Z to get the last word in, ha.

No offense meant to Gamblor and other Zionists.
-AA

[nicky g]

You may wish to consider that many Jews are "ultra-secular" as you put it simply because, like many other people, they regard religion as atavstic and irrational.

[ACPlayer]

Some day, when you know more than you think you know, you will realize the foolishness of apartheid as a policy. It is a failed policy, in Israel as elsewhere. Israel was formed on a morally wrong premise. Any state formed on the basis of a religious goal is doomed to failure in the long run.

By holding yourself to be special, you make yourself a target.

[ACPlayer]

Just because you are paranoid does not mean that they are out to get you.

My remark is very accurate.

I leave sensitivity to the PC crowd.

[Gamblor]

You may wish to consider that many Jews are "ultra-secular" as you put it simply because, like many other people, they regard religion as atavstic and irrational.

That's their perogative. Doesn't make it true.

If you were to study Judaism, you'd know that it is not the thoughts that make something evil. You are freely allowed to picture that hot chick at work naked, you can think about what you would do to her all night long.

But once you actually do something bad, that's a sin.

[Gamblor]

It is a failed policy, in Israel as elsewhere. Israel was formed on a morally wrong premise. Any state formed on the basis of a religious goal is doomed to failure in the long run.

That is another myth the Arab world has been wonderfully effective in disseminating.

Arabs are given full right to vote, own a business, serve as members of the knesset (parliament), etc.

Perhaps if all those nations for the last couple thousand years hadn't made the Jewish world the target of its stupidity, we wouldn't have this problem to begin with.

On a side note, did you know that over 50 professions in France are limited by ethnicity?