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Old 11-24-2003, 07:57 PM
Saborion Saborion is offline
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Default Re: 89s in the BB

I always were afraid of a higher flush, hence why I didn`t bet out on the flop.

But a 9-high flush is ok then. Even good enough to bet/raise with at the flop given 3+ callers?
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Old 11-24-2003, 08:00 PM
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Default Lesson learned

Ok, that was too tight. Lesson learned, stay tuned for another hand.
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Old 11-24-2003, 08:12 PM
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Default Re: 89s in the BB

There is now two votes for folding being ok. You may be getting the odds to call but I think your implied odds are very poor and could easily sway this to a fold. You do have to consider all things you did even if you do fill. I also think the turn is the telling round, there are three callers and a raise in front of you the best you can hope to do is the 6th nut flush or something like that on the river. I am not sure I could fold this everytime but I wouldnt be beating myself up for it when I did even when the flush does come. There are better spots to invest two big bets imo.
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Old 11-24-2003, 11:10 PM
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Default Re: 89s in the BB

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I always were afraid of a higher flush, hence why I didn`t bet out on the flop.

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But you called the flop bet.

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Old 11-25-2003, 12:19 AM
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Default Re: 89s in the BB

Yes?
I was the combination of the possible boat and higher flush, and possible re-raise behind me that made me fold that hand. If the board hadn`t paired, I wouldn`t have folded to a raise I think. You guys made me understand I was being too tight. But it wasn`t just the raise that made me fold, it was the combination of all things. I said it in other posts, I think I see monsters in the closet a bit too easy, and I`m working on it. I was not sure this was a good fold, else I wouldn`t have posted the hand. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I mean, if you`re unsure you have the best hand or not, wouldn`t you go to a showdown with it? If you`re not sure you have the best flush, wouldn`t you call it? I really cannot understand why you`re stuck on my flop call. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-25-2003, 02:17 AM
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Default Re: 89s in the BB

I'm not "stuck" on your flop call. I'm trying to help you think critically about the way you played the hand as a whole -- and to get you to use your own thought process to do so.

My point was that folding on the turn is silly if you're doing it because you're afraid that your flush, if you hit it, is no good. And I was illustrating that by pointing to the fact that you called the flop, obviously not afraid of two bigger hearts. The turn was bet and raised, but none of that should make you fear a bigger flush draw.

If you are going to fold here, fine, it's closer than I originally thought (I misread the action -- even so, I'd call), but don't do it because you're suddenly worried about two better hearts.
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Old 11-25-2003, 10:11 AM
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Default Re: 89s in the BB

I think a flop check-raise would have been sexy.

I don't think the fold was horrible.

I think this is a good question for one of the experts
on the site though.
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