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#12
11-05-2003, 06:33 PM
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I\'ll take that bet too (nm)
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#13
11-05-2003, 06:34 PM
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Re: 9 bracelets
His argument makes sense to me. You're saying that Hellmuth only won 9 because he's played so many. How is this different? Why didn't you just post that's he's a no-talent ass-clown instead and dispense with the bizarre logistics.
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#14
11-05-2003, 06:57 PM
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Re: 9 bracelets
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His argument makes sense to me. You're saying that Hellmuth only won 9 because he's played so many. How is this different? Why didn't you just post that's he's a no-talent ass-clown instead and dispense with the bizarre logistics. [/ QUOTE ] I didn't say he is a "no-talent clown." In fact, I think he has ALOT of poker talent. As for the Yankees arguement, there are barriers to entry to the WS. Anyone can play in the WSOP. As for my "bizzare logistics", all i said was that a bracelets/starts was a better stat than total bracelets. How is this bizarre? Tuco.
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#15
11-05-2003, 07:02 PM
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Re: 9 bracelets
I don't have the math to prove it, but I'd bet my last dollar that while not winning any bracelets out of say 200 tournies man not prove anything negative, winning nine bracelets out of the same 200 tournies HAS to prove something positive. I have seen calculations of this sort, Bill James on baseball comes to mind, and it is just about impossible to win close to 5% of your tournaments without being way way better than average.
Anyone care to run the numbers?
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#18
11-05-2003, 07:51 PM
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Re: 9 bracelets
I can try, but my thinking may not be quite clear enough to do it any better.
The fact that (fill in a name) hasn't won a WSOP bracelet doesn't prove they're bad. Lots of good players haven't. But the fact that Phil H. has won nine is pretty much mathmatical proof that he is, at the very least, a great tournament player. Like I said, I don't have the math to do the numbers, but it would end up showing something like Helmuth has to be in the top .1% of players, otherwise his winning 9 out of 200 would be on the order of a billion to one shot. And I generally muck billion to one draws.
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#19
11-05-2003, 07:52 PM
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Re: 9 bracelets
If I play golf more than you, I'm going to make a one WAY more often.
My poor Dad started playing at age twelve. He still plays at 89. He was still scratch in his 60's. He has never made a hole in one.
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#20
11-05-2003, 08:14 PM
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Re: 9 bracelets
but the best tournament players will win more.
I think the one thing you're missing as well is that in those WSOP events the best players at the time in the world are playing. Sure anyone can play and often just anyone wins but in each of those fields anyone did it against the best players there are at the time in that game. Winning 9 bracelets may not mean you're the best poker player in the world but it means something. I mean Larry Brown was the MVP of the Super Bowl and Chris Moneymaker is the reigning Champion of Poker. Neither one of them did it 9 times. Phil H is an ass and he is one of those guys that you look at and wonder why he deserves what he has...bottom line... he earned it.....
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