How to lose a bankroll.

[1800GAMBLER]

Refresh, i edited my post.

[1800GAMBLER]

I'm at 3 was referring to my bankroll before the start of this session after a bad session with pokerwhore and a few other sessions/withdrawls.

In the hand i had just around $400 - $450.

[turnipmonster]

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3 limpers and i raise to 6 times the blinds, $30, coldcaller behind rest fold.


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why such a big raise? is that your standard open? assuming you have one caller and someone is always betting the pot, you're risking 30+60+120+240=450=your whole stack, with JJ. I wouldn't do it, but that's me.

If he's calling such a raise preflop, I think it's hard not to give him overcards to your JJ at this point, making you about even money. If you are an aggressive player, you are commiting yourself to risking your stack (via betting the pot out of position) on this hand.

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Flop:
3 8 6r
I bet the pot, he calls.


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great flop!

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Turn: A

I pot bet. He calls.


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he just called your pot bet with a scare card on board. your hand screams pocket pair, or maybe AK. he is telling you that, by calling your bet, he isn't too worried about what you represent. There aren't any draws out here to speak of, so at this point what do you put him on? and of that, what can you beat?

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He shows A2o, i rebuy, complainning, which i don't normally.


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wow, so he's a really terrible player. I think you could have lost a lot less if you had opened for less preflop.

--turnipmonster

[1800GAMBLER]

Line by line.

'why such a big raise? is that your standard open?'

No, it's not. But with JJ it's a marginal hand. If i can do a small mistake to narrow a large mistake i will, proof will follow.


'assuming you have one caller and someone is always betting the pot, you're risking 30+60+120+240=450=your whole stack, with JJ. I wouldn't do it, but that's me.'

You really need to give examples of were i am risking my whole stack. If i make this raise and only get called my overcards that's perfect! 2/3 they'll miss the flop then were do they stand with there AK AQ KQ!? Meanwhile i can see an overcard and escape if i want to play it that way.

' I think it's hard not to give him overcards to your JJ at this point, making you about even money.'

AK does not go past the flop! That's not even money.

'great flop!'

50/50 flop of overcard. 2/3 flop he hits.

'he just called your pot bet with a scare card on board.'

Huh?

'so at this point what do you put him on? and of that, what can you beat? '

We aren't playing WSOP winners. We are playing 1/2 gamblers, decent, good players. At this point they cold have, a draw, a middle pair, a top pair. Which plus them together is way less then a set.

'wow, so he's a really terrible player. I think you could have lost a lot less if you had opened for less preflop.'

Just because i could have lost less in _this one hand_ doesn't mean it's a way to play it in general.

There are about 3 quotes in your post which assume i play this way all the time. I don't, each situation is different to the last.

[turnipmonster]

damn, I wrote a response and then lost it. I'm not criticizing your general play at all, just the preflop play of this specific hand. I apologize if my reply came across as sounding like that at all. on to my responses:

'No, it's not. But with JJ it's a marginal hand. If i can do a small mistake to narrow a large mistake i will'

if it's not your standard open then IMHO you are giving away too much info, unless you would play AA-KK the same. a big raise pegs you on a big but very vulnerable hand.

'You really need to give examples of were i am risking my whole stack.'

your strategy on this hand seemed to be "unless a scare card *flops*, I am going to bet the pot on every street". betting the pot on every street means you are going all in by the river, for sure.

'he just called your pot bet with a scare card on board.'

Huh?

An A came on the turn, and he called your pot bet. he is telling you he isn't scared of an A.

What kind of draw do you think he has? and if he does have a draw in this spot, then he is certainly also dumb enough to call your flop bet with AK, so I don't think you can rule out him having an A.

'There are about 3 quotes in your post which assume i play this way all the time. I don't, each situation is different to the last.'

Again, I apologize if I came across this way, it was unintentional.

All I am saying here is your open for $30 turns your stack into a short stack, considering you only barely have enough to call pot size bets until the river. I would not like to be in this spot at all with this hand, but that's me, and there is clearly more than one way to win at this game.

--turnipmonster

[1800GAMBLER]

I switch my raising size a lot. I don't switch them hand dependant though. They switch with limpers, position, stack sizes, game type, players on the blinds. If anyone cracks that they could be making more money away from the table.

'your strategy on this hand seemed to be "unless a scare card *flops*, I am going to bet the pot on every street". betting the pot on every street means you are going all in by the river, for sure. '

Against general weak players i will be. Against a good solid player i'd slow down on the turn regardless of the card.

'An A came on the turn, and he called your pot bet. he is telling you he isn't scared of an A.'

Not true. Actually it is true. But for the following reasons to:

- He thinks the A didn't help me.
- He has a hand regardless of the A. Set or draw.

'What kind of draw do you think he has? and if he does have a draw in this spot, then he is certainly also dumb enough to call your flop bet with AK, so I don't think you can rule out him having an A. '

True. But the probability of 8x + draw + overpair is > P(AK) and it's not even close.

I like big raises with QQ JJ more than any other hand because i want Ax Kx x being a rag out so i can lead at the overcard more often.