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#11
12-19-2005, 11:28 PM
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Re: Turn cap with top set on straightboard.
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I seldom raise 66 here, I might if I feel CO and SB are bad players. I always raise 88. Should I extend that range in this spot? [/ QUOTE ] no. i for one would not want to play it in a raised pot oop. my standard hand there is also 88. 
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#14
12-20-2005, 07:51 AM
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Re: Turn cap with top set on straightboard.
Before tonight, I'd have capped and bet the river too, and cursed the poker gods at dealing my opponent a straight. After counting combinations though, if you think he has to have at least 2 pair to 3-bet the tuin, then you should just call and only raise the river if you fill. Amazing.
-Eric
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#15
12-20-2005, 09:45 AM
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Re: Turn cap with top set on straightboard.
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Before tonight, I'd have capped and bet the river too, and cursed the poker gods at dealing my opponent a straight. After counting combinations though, if you think he has to have at least 2 pair to 3-bet the tuin, then you should just call and only raise the river if you fill. Amazing. -Eric [/ QUOTE ] Interesting--care to show us lazy people the math? I'm surprised that there are more possible straights than two pair hands he could have, which is what the case would be if you're saying call, don't raise. Right?
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#17
12-20-2005, 03:31 PM
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Re: Turn cap with top set on straightboard.
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[ QUOTE ] Before tonight, I'd have capped and bet the river too, and cursed the poker gods at dealing my opponent a straight. After counting combinations though, if you think he has to have at least 2 pair to 3-bet the tuin, then you should just call and only raise the river if you fill. Amazing. -Eric [/ QUOTE ] Interesting--care to show us lazy people the math? I'm surprised that there are more possible straights than two pair hands he could have, which is what the case would be if you're saying call, don't raise. Right? [/ QUOTE ] Possible Two Pair Hands: 54 = 9 combos J5 = 9 combos J4 = 9 combos 65 = 3 combos 64 = 3 combos J6 = 3 combos Two pair combos = 36 two-pair combos Sets we beat: 55 = 3 combos 44 = 3 combos Sets we beat = 6 combos Sets we lose to: JJ = 3 combos So, before running the straight combos, we are ahead of 42 combos and behind 3. Straights: 23 = 16 combos 37 = 16 combos 78 = 16 combos Straights = 48 combos. Without any weighting of various hands, we're behind 51 combos and ahead of 42 combos. It's pretty close because we'd probably almost entirely discount JJ (no-pre-flop raise) and some of the straight combos (particularly 37 and probably most of the 23 combos), as well as some of the two-pair combos, though (the Jx hands particularly). StellarWind made the same point above without laying out the combos. I'm pretty sure I'd cap this turn when playing; a closer analysis makes that less clear, but doesn't rule it out as the correct play depending on how one estimates the weighting.
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#18
12-20-2005, 06:26 PM
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Re: Turn cap with top set on straightboard.
I think the most of us will cap this turn without thinking to much about it, because its one of those 'If he flopped the straight so be it' situations, even though it might not feel to good against a pretty tight villain. What happened is that he checked to me on the river, I bet, he calls, and he turns over 55. I looked at the hand afterwards and started wondering if I should wait and see if I get my house on the river before raising, and it seems to me that this is correct in this specific situation. Thanks everybody for your posts.
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