do i fold QQ ?

[Sam T.]

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The key to the action is the first time around. If you think the big stack is trying to steal or isolate, go ahead and raise. Otherwise, fold. Am I the only one here who thinks folding is a decent option versus the initial raise and re-raise?

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Boy, that's a tough position. Shorty's raise from EP indicates at least a decent hand, and the smallish raise from the tall stack could be either "I'd like to isolate with my tens, but if you've got AA I'd like to be able to fold," or "I have AA and wouldn't mind more action than shorty can give me."

I would hate to fold QQ for t700 when I'm in position, but three-betting could hurt as well. I actually don't think a call is terrible. You have position: use it. Yes, you go broke against AA or KK if the flop is undercards, but the same thing will happen if you push. A call at least allows you a bit more time to see where you stand.

Thinking about it a bit more, never mind. You probably should have seen this coming. No way in the world Shorty is going to flat call for the majority of his stack, and a fold seems unlikely, so you probably have to assume a push is on it's way. A better play may have been to re-raise enough to put shorty in, but that's half your stack, so you have to push...ugh.

Shorty pushes, which doesn't tell us much (at least it doesn't tell me much. I think he's probably pushing AK, TT+ here), but it does re-open the betting. Tall stack's push now looks more like an isolation bet, but it also may be pent up excitement from his aces.

Hmmm. I don't know.

Sam

I folded. The small stack had KK, the big 99, nothing hit so i would have made aprofit by calling and winning the side pot. But i think it was a good flod !??

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I folded. The small stack had KK, the big 99, nothing hit so i would have made aprofit by calling and winning the side pot. But i think it was a good flod !??

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You would have had tons of funds after this call... the big stack was doing just what I imagined he would... contrary to the general opinion in reply to my post, I believe the 'call vs push' decision that the BB faced was a classic Strong is Weak/Weak is Strong tell that holds up MORESO for unsophisticated players... . it is instinct not sophistication that leads to this move. You are more likely to see a good player shoving with the aces here if/when he percieves you are thinking on that level and that may make you call..

If you fold QQ preflop in an SNG you are a bad player. Unless there are extreme circumstances (deep stacks and a solid read on a tight agressive player who has just made a third re-raise into you with large percentage of ur stack already in the pot) any doubt in your mind that leads you to play QQ weakly will be a LONG TERM MONEY LOSER because of the VAST number of times you are ahead.

You are only a dog to two hands, two rare hands. Even if they have those hands you STILL HAVE A 20% chance to hit your trips (seeing all 5 board cards)... EVERY other time your doubt will allow people scoping with a single overcard to see a flop and decide if they can break you.

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The key to the action is the first time around. If you think the big stack is trying to steal or isolate, go ahead and raise. Otherwise, fold. Am I the only one here who thinks folding is a decent option versus the initial raise and re-raise?

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Lloyd: When you say this, do you mean a fold at the first decision point, when it was 700 to go for the Hero?

I really feel that the move was misplayed initially, but you should have gotten it all in there anyways, so get it all in there now. The bit of extra information you have gained from the second pass around the table w/ the pooshes actually comes up in favor of the decision to get your cash in, imho. Odds are good.. I'm moving with 1.55:1 on QQ in the absence of an ICE COLD READ in 100% of cases.