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12-01-2005, 08:40 PM
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Re: Manny for Abreu
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burrell for starter [/ QUOTE ] Man, Richie Hebner sure did do some good things for Burrell when he changed his approach a few years ago, didn't he? 
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#12
12-01-2005, 08:50 PM
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Re: Manny for Abreu
Easy deal for the Sox, I have no idea Abreu's UZR but it ain't pretty. He was -6/162 2000-2003, so I'm guessing he's around -10 now. The two are pretty equal in terms of production; Abreu is younger and costs less.
Abreu and Manny are VERY similar. I don't think Manny would fit in with philly fans.
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#13
12-01-2005, 10:21 PM
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Re: Manny for Abreu
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I don't think Manny would fit in with philly fans. [/ QUOTE ] Err, popping home runs over the short left field fence on the regular goes along way with us.
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#14
12-01-2005, 10:24 PM
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Re: Manny for Abreu
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[ QUOTE ] burrell for starter [/ QUOTE ] Man, Richie Hebner sure did do some good things for Burrell when he changed his approach a few years ago, didn't he? [/ QUOTE ] It's not that, you just have to do something to get all of these strikeouts out of the lineup. Manny doesn't help in that regard since both him and Abreu are 100+ a year strikeout guys (though Abreu tends to do it much more often in clutch situations...enjoy that, Boston)
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#15
12-01-2005, 10:29 PM
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Re: Manny for Abreu
you think so? I can't think of any deals w/ an AAV of $19m that have been signed recently. there are now a # of $13-$15m guys, but $19M?
well, lets look at the most recent, paul konerko. if we use the past 3 seasons to project next seasons production using the baseball prospectus stat BRAR (batting runs above replacement) in a 3/2/1 weighting system (i am hijacking this from a poster on SOSH EricVan) then we get this: manny: 62 x 3 62 x 2 73 x 1 konerko 48 x 3 40 x 2 4 x 1 manny comes out to project to about 63 RAR and konerko comes out to equal 38. of course some will say that, hey thats not fair konerko had a horrible year in 03, while i will say, yeah manny didnt! manny cashes in at 3.30 runs per million konerko cashes in at 2.92 per million spent lets be very optimistic for konerko and eliminate 2003 (which i dont see a good reason to, but will for humor purposes) konerko then clocks in at 44.8 expected runs which is 3.44 runs per million, still barely more cost efficient than ramirez. lets now do abreu his BRAR 54 x 3 73 x 2 60 x 1 projects to produce about 61 runs above replacement level, which equates to 4.17 runs per million. you can now easily see why the red sox would do this deal, and philly would laugh at it.
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#16
12-01-2005, 11:25 PM
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Re: Manny for Abreu
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[ QUOTE ] I don't think Manny would fit in with philly fans. [/ QUOTE ] Err, popping home runs over the short left field fence on the regular goes along way with us. [/ QUOTE ] It seems to me Phillies fans can't really stand it when their players don't show passion. I don't think this is a racial issue like other people do. IE: they don't like Abreu much, but then they didn't like Schmidt either. They love Rollins...
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#17
12-02-2005, 03:27 AM
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Re: Manny for Abreu
I am not a stats guy, but my initial reaction to this was to think it's WAY to good to be true for us Red Sox fans. Manny's going away come Hell or high water, if we get Abreu out of it I will be ecstatic.
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#18
12-02-2005, 03:36 AM
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Re: Manny for Abreu
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I am not a stats guy, but my initial reaction to this was to think it's WAY to good to be true for us Red Sox fans. Manny's going away come Hell or high water, if we get Abreu out of it I will be ecstatic. [/ QUOTE ] i still dont understand why people think manny must be traded......... odds are still stacked that he WONT be dealt.
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