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Old 11-29-2005, 01:32 AM
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I'm not bragging, I'm not showing off, I'm not trying to make it into a "genius" play at all.

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Denial. What a bitch.
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Old 11-26-2005, 12:51 PM
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Default Re: Something I think most players, me most of all, need to do more of

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standard.

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Ahh but it's not.

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How so? This thread is really lacking in explanation.
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Old 11-26-2005, 04:21 AM
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we talking limit here?
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Old 11-26-2005, 03:38 PM
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no chance id fold JJ here, so there you go. at least someone disagrees

2 aggressive MP raisers who you have position on, and you want to fold the 4th best hand in the game? [censored] that. cap it up
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Old 11-26-2005, 04:00 PM
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Default Re: Something I think most players, me most of all, need to do more of

now that you mention it.....


I played a limit tourney (PPM semi's) a couple weeks ago.

I get JJ in MLP.

Loose guy UTG+1 raises, 2+2'er in UTG+2 makes it 3-bets.


I fold my JJ but right-away I didn't feel too good about it.

You see, I was just looking at the 2+2'er who 3-bet it....wasn't thinking that he was just iso'ing the loose guy (who I wasn't paying attention to).


To be results-oriented about that hand:
flop came undercards. and i think the board stayed low throughout.
The 2+2'ers TT holds up against LAG's unimproved AK.

Even before learning I would have won I knew I made a mistake. easily worth playing if I had considered the LAG.



but in the OP's hand, neither of these guys are super-duper loose raisers or anything and I would fold JJ unless I had some kind of read that contradicted the stats.
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Old 11-29-2005, 02:35 PM
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I would cap also. Though I would have folded with that flop.
Though I like your post it maes me wonder if folding is correct. I agree with j-j being premium hand. Though the 3 bet could be an isolation raise with a med pair.
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Old 11-28-2005, 12:15 PM
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no chance id fold JJ here, so there you go. at least someone disagrees

2 aggressive MP raisers who you have position on, and you want to fold the 4th best hand in the game? [censored] that. cap it up

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Old 11-26-2005, 03:42 PM
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I cap.
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Old 11-26-2005, 03:46 PM
Arnfinn Madsen Arnfinn Madsen is offline
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Hmmm, I know you two last responders are good players (much better than me), so please elaborate on how the cap is good (I might end up learning something from this contentless thread [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]). I just don't see the value of it.
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Old 11-26-2005, 04:03 PM
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Hmmm, I know you two last responders are good players (much better than me), so please elaborate on how the cap is good (I might end up learning something from this contentless thread [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]). I just don't see the value of it.

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PFR 11 raises MP1. This is AT+, 77+, KQ, sometimes QJs. PFR 9 3 bets. This is TT(maybe even 99 or 88!)+, AQ+. I have position. I will flop an overpair or a set 60 percent of the time. I play better than my opponents. I can't only cap aces and kings or my opponents will know I have aces or kings in a game with a relatively small player pool. People raise and three-bet more lightly in bigger games. That's my explanation.
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