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#11
11-24-2005, 01:46 PM
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Re: Flush draw, huge growing pot.
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It might be a good call on the turn, but it's very close at best. [/ QUOTE ] no, it isn't close. he is getting over 5:1 immediately on the turn and can expect to be getting over 6:1. his turn call ended up being 6.75:1. he needs 4.75:1 on this turn call to break even. this is nowhere near close, especially when you consider implied odds. [ QUOTE ] Why did you check the trun? Planning on a c/r? [/ QUOTE ] no, i think he checked the turn because he got 12 cold callers on the flop and there's now nearly 100% chance he does not have the best hand. check raising is pointless. [ QUOTE ] And I believe other posters suggest a check raise on the turn. I agree. [/ QUOTE ] read above. 
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#12
11-24-2005, 02:26 PM
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Re: Flush draw, huge growing pot.
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[ QUOTE ] It might be a good call on the turn, but it's very close at best. [/ QUOTE ] no, it isn't close. he is getting over 5:1 immediately on the turn and can expect to be getting over 6:1. his turn call ended up being 6.75:1. he needs 4.75:1 on this turn call to break even. this is nowhere near close, especially when you consider implied odds. [ QUOTE ] Why did you check the trun? Planning on a c/r? [/ QUOTE ] no, i think he checked the turn because he got 12 cold callers on the flop and there's now nearly 100% chance he does not have the best hand. check raising is pointless. [ QUOTE ] And I believe other posters suggest a check raise on the turn. I agree. [/ QUOTE ] read above. [/ QUOTE ] yep exactly, its a high variance call, but folding is a huge mistake
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#13
11-24-2005, 03:46 PM
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Re: Flush draw, huge growing pot.
To celebrate SAT vocab turkey day, I'm going to say that raising that flop isn't impetuous, it's imperative.
I've never been in a situation to call that many bets cold, but yours was legit. That's freakin badass, man.
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#14
11-24-2005, 04:06 PM
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Re: Flush draw, huge growing pot.
I am going to comment on your preflop play : it is fine. Given a loose table suited aces can be limped profitably. The rest of the hand is played perfectly as well. Don't even consider calling anything on the river. I would fold even if I hit an ace.
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#15
11-24-2005, 04:17 PM
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Re: Flush draw, huge growing pot.
I think the flop raise is bad. Yes you have top friggin pair in a decent pot. But the board is really draw heavy and even if youre ahead now you wont shake loose the possible flush and straight draws that probably gladly will call both the flop and turn.
Fold on the flop.
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#16
11-24-2005, 04:22 PM
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Re: Flush draw, huge growing pot.
We don't want a lone paint card to be justified in calling the flop with a gutshot, or a crappy non-ace getting outs for 2 pair. Make them make an incorrect call here. We really do have to raise this flop.
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#17
11-24-2005, 04:59 PM
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Re: Flush draw, huge growing pot.
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We don't want a lone paint card to be justified in calling the flop with a gutshot, or a crappy non-ace getting outs for 2 pair. Make them make an incorrect call here. We really do have to raise this flop. [/ QUOTE ] We have 6.5 very dirty outs. The bdfd is good but the aces are probably not worth even close to 3 outs and our two pair might already be beaten. Even if it isnt i can count 20 bad cards(Any diamond, K, Q, J or T probably is bad) which make us extremely sensitive to redraws. Add that to the fact that they are either very loose and then will call us against the odds for the pleasure of the draws or that they have good cards and then were already beaten.
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#18
11-24-2005, 05:37 PM
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Re: Flush draw, huge growing pot.
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Add that to the fact that they are either very loose and then will call us against the odds [/ QUOTE ] This would suck... It's so much better to just call and let them play correctly instead of inducing an error.
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#19
11-24-2005, 07:13 PM
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Re: Flush draw, huge growing pot.
*grunch*
Not so sure about the protective value of the flop raise, but given position I'm doing the same. Check on the turn is good, as is call. You've easily got the odds, and if you make your hand you'll be paid off like there's no tomorrow. River check/fold is good.
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#20
11-24-2005, 09:30 PM
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Re: Flush draw, huge growing pot.
HMMMMM....
I find myself bucking the trend again. Unless SB is an UBERUBERLAAAAAAG - I call this flop. And I think it's much closer to folding than raising. SB just bet into 7 freakin' players on the most coordinated board in the history of poker. I can safely call this flop and happily know that I'm not protecting anything as I'm likely already behind. The only reason I'm calling is my BDFD and my hidden outs against SB's better hand. GS draws are already making a mistake because the cards they want are going to be in other callers hands or a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] to which I'm folding anyway. Since I'm not ahead at this point, they're making most of their money from the lead hand anyway and taking very little from me. Not worth the investment to protect against in the unlikely case that I'm actually ahead. Even if I am ahead, my edge would be slimmer than Kiera Knightly. IMO. Raising is -EV BTW. The Turn call is SOOOOO EASY.
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