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Old 11-21-2005, 11:40 AM
Stealthy Stealthy is offline
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Default Re: TPGK and Flush-Draw against Maniac

*grunch*

On the flop I play this the same. Turn is an easy check/call IMO and the river an easy bet/call. I think your line, especially with the river cap is way over agro with just 2 pair.

I know it is tempting to go to war with maniac types, and there are a few that you can cap this board with as they are so agro, but there is not enough evidence to suggest that you have one of those here.
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Old 11-21-2005, 04:59 PM
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Default Re: TPGK and Flush-Draw against Maniac

I like -
Bet/call
Check/call
Bet/call

I bet the flop cause I'm likely ahead. I call the raise and go into WA\WB mode.c\c,c\c,b. But I improved of the river so I'm calling the raise + he's a maniac.

The turn check\raise is big time spewing.
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Old 11-21-2005, 05:09 PM
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Default Re: TPGK and Flush-Draw against Maniac

How is this WA/WB?

We are never WB in this hand.
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Old 11-21-2005, 05:38 PM
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Default Re: TPGK and Flush-Draw against Maniac

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How is this WA/WB?

We are never WB in this hand.

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Not quite true...we could be behind AA or AK...
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Old 11-21-2005, 05:40 PM
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Default Re: TPGK and Flush-Draw against Maniac

And we still have plenty of flush outs don't we?
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Old 11-21-2005, 05:40 PM
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I actually think we are never WA. We are behind AA, KK, JJ, AK. We are only ahead of QQ and AQ. That assumes that villain wouldn't 3bet TT or AT. Even AQo is questionable for a 3bet since there was a limper already and still plenty of players behind him yet to act.
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Old 11-21-2005, 05:45 PM
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Default Re: TPGK and Flush-Draw against Maniac

I'm not talking about the river here, but on the flop and turn we are never WB because of our flush outs. How often we are WA depends on how reliable the LAG read is. I think your range is too narrow for a true LAG.
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Old 11-21-2005, 05:07 PM
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I would 3 bet the flop and call down if capped. Doesn't sound like you have good enough of a read on him as to be putting this many bets in on the turn/river
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