River decision - Page 2

Lmn55d · #11 11-20-2005, 07:19 PM

I dont think death donkey ever expects jason to fold after he 3bet the turn. Betting gets value from ace high, weaker sixes, a pair of 2s, 33, 44. What hands does Jason T fold here?

TheMetetron · #12 11-20-2005, 07:53 PM

Donkey shouldn't be calling with ace high.

If he's as solid as he should be, you should be able to bet/fold this.

It's a hard fold though if he is related to rmarroti and can pull a BS river bluff on you.

jason_t · #13 11-20-2005, 07:56 PM

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Donkey shouldn't be calling with ace high.

If he's as solid as he should be, you should be able to bet/fold this.

It's a hard fold though if he is related to rmarroti and can pull a BS river bluff on you.

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He definitely shouldn't call with A high and if he is playing well I think there are pairs he should fold too. That's why I am having trouble finding a river bet.

TheMetetron · #14 11-20-2005, 07:59 PM

Yeah, I kind of see your point. If he's playing well he should be folding deuces and fives, as well pocket 3's and 4's. You quite obviously have a 7, 6, or possibly a FD/SD. No matter what, these are all toast.

Question is, how often is he playing well? He shouldn't be bluff betting like ever, too.

jason_t · #15 11-20-2005, 08:03 PM

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He shouldn't be bluff betting like ever, too.

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I agree. That's the other aspect of this river decision. Do I get more value by betting to induce a bad call by checking to induce a bad bluff?

scotty34 · #16 11-20-2005, 08:50 PM

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I dont think death donkey ever expects jason to fold after he 3bet the turn. Betting gets value from ace high, weaker sixes, a pair of 2s, 33, 44. What hands does Jason T fold here?

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Does a LAG DeathDonkey not usually 3-bet 33, 44 and an A PF?

DeathDonkey · #17 11-20-2005, 09:43 PM

I 3 bet all of these and don't consider it all that LAG 3 handed.

-DeathDonkey

scotty34 · #18 11-20-2005, 10:10 PM

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I 3 bet all of these and don't consider it all that LAG 3 handed.

-DeathDonkey

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I don't consider it all that LAG either, and I do it too. I just pointed out that he referred to you as LAG to further emphasize that there really isn't much question that you would have done so.

TheMetetron · #19 11-20-2005, 10:35 PM

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I dont think death donkey ever expects jason to fold after he 3bet the turn. Betting gets value from ace high, weaker sixes, a pair of 2s, 33, 44. What hands does Jason T fold here?

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Does a LAG DeathDonkey not usually 3-bet 33, 44 and an A PF?

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This is also a good point. So we put DD on a deuce, a six, a seven (if he's really thinking and realizes jason probably doesn't 3-bet a draw here and will likely fold to a cap w/o a 7), a FD, and a SD.

Which of these is he calling (or raising) a river bet with? What will he bet when checked to? Someone want to do some hand combos?

Entity · #20 11-21-2005, 02:11 AM

I check-call.

Reasoning:

Deathdonkey will raise a lot of draws on that board on the turn to try to generate fold equity in general. Now these busted draws (hearts) he shouldn't bet because your checking indicates your intentions to call, but he has to bet those in a 3-handed game at least some subset of the time because he knows that you know that you shouldn't call. Additionally you may induce a bet sometimes from a weaker 6, though I don't think that's incredibly likely.

Rob