Fischman flop a boat and bets it

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This might be the worst post ever. and it's posted in 2 forums


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Why? Isn't this worth discussing? He didn't play it the way Doyle advised in "Super System".


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Its not a fcking instructional guide. He probably plays a flopped boat a billion different ways.

This post is clueless.

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This seems to have created some interesting discussion for the worst post ever. In the future, could you guys please keep the discussion civil and give arguments rather than insults.

I'll occassionally make those plays to be sort of counter-intuitive, I think I would do that live more than online, because if I trap everytime I hit a monster it might kill the action on paired boards or be too suspicious.

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I'll occassionally make those plays to be sort of counter-intuitive, I think I would do that live more than online, because if I trap everytime I hit a monster it might kill the action on paired boards or be too suspicious.

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Agreed. I actually do it a lot at low stakes. I'm sure at higher stakes you should do it less frequently.

I also agree that this post sucks.

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Wow, this post has attracted almost as much hostility and name calling as my theory of why it can be advantageous to stay in the red zone.

I didn't say Fischman's play was wrong. I just brought it up because it was unusual.

Does everyone think this is the worst post ever because it is obvious that betting out with a boat is a standard play?

I know everyone is against slow playing, but you slow play a boat for two reasons. It is almost impossible for anyone to draw out on you. It is almost impossible for anyone to have connected to the board. This is particularly true with a 772,r board that doesn't allow many draws.

Now I assume the reason Fischman was that it was adangerous board that it looked like no one had connected with. He hoped Cassidy would play back with nothing. He also may have thought a check might create the suspicion he had trips.

The result was that Cassidy folded.

Oviously he was hoping Cassidy had a stronger hand. It seems really sneaky to check there If you have the reputation of an aggressive player that would bet there without a hand (i dont know if this is the case with Fischman or what Cassidy thinks of him) but I think most times you get more chips by checking there regardless of how sneaky it looks.

Unless cassidy likes to re-raise or likes to play pocket pairs for cheap from the SB I would probably check..

I dont agree with a lot of the things in SuperSystem (Doyle's strategy works for Doyle, not necessarily anyone else..) but this is one I do agree with him. When you flop a boat you have the deck crippled, you really need to check and hope either hes going to try a steal or make a hand on the turn.

I would in fact check on the flop and on the turn, because most players cant resist 2 checks and are going to bet me.

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Wow, this post has attracted almost as much hostility and name calling as my theory of why it can be advantageous to stay in the red zone.

I didn't say Fischman's play was wrong. I just brought it up because it was unusual.

Does everyone think this is the worst post ever because it is obvious that betting out with a boat is a standard play?

I know everyone is against slow playing, but you slow play a boat for two reasons. It is almost impossible for anyone to draw out on you. It is almost impossible for anyone to have connected to the board. This is particularly true with a 772,r board that doesn't allow many draws.

Now I assume the reason Fischman was that it was adangerous board that it looked like no one had connected with. He hoped Cassidy would play back with nothing. He also may have thought a check might create the suspicion he had trips.

The result was that Cassidy folded.

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The reason for the hostility is because you left out every detail. You didn't say if it was rainbow or suited; you didn't give stack sizes; you didn't give blind sized; and you didn't give bet sizes. Had fischman led a huge % of flops before this?

If you asked me "should you bet out when you flop a boat?" I' respond "it depends."

Also, never leading with a flopped boat against players you're going to see again (or on TV), is obviously horrible becuause then every time you lead, your opponent will know you don't have a boat.

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Wow, this post has attracted almost as much hostility and name calling as my theory of why it can be advantageous to stay in the red zone.

I didn't say Fischman's play was wrong. I just brought it up because it was unusual.

Does everyone think this is the worst post ever because it is obvious that betting out with a boat is a standard play?

I know everyone is against slow playing, but you slow play a boat for two reasons. It is almost impossible for anyone to draw out on you. It is almost impossible for anyone to have connected to the board. This is particularly true with a 772,r board that doesn't allow many draws.

Now I assume the reason Fischman was that it was adangerous board that it looked like no one had connected with. He hoped Cassidy would play back with nothing. He also may have thought a check might create the suspicion he had trips.

The result was that Cassidy folded.

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The reason for the hostility is because you left out every detail. You didn't say if it was rainbow or suited; you didn't give stack sizes; you didn't give blind sized; and you didn't give bet sizes. Had fischman led a huge % of flops before this?

If you asked me "should you bet out when you flop a boat?" I' respond "it depends."

Also, never leading with a flopped boat against players you're going to see again (or on TV), is obviously horrible becuause then every time you lead, your opponent will know you don't have a boat.

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I saw the hand on TV and I don't have all the information about stack sizes, blind sizes, the exact flop, how they played previous hands etc. It's not like I can get a hand history like online.

It was 3-handed, so the blinds were fairly big. I think I rermember the flop, and I gave it later on.

Are you serious about if you don't bet with a flopped boat, your opponent will know you don't have a boat? You don't flop a boat that often. This only matters if your opponent flops trips top kicker or something, an they are probably not going to fold for fear of a boat anyway. Later in the hand, you could still have a boat even if you didn't flop one.

I was not saying the play was bad, just that it was unusual, and I think there has been some interesting discussion of this by intelligent posters such as sirio11 and sossman.

Perhaps I should have explained in the initial post why betting out with a boat was unusual. The TV commentators were acting very suprised and like it was an unusual play and maybe a bad play. This was a limped pot and there were no draws. It's not like leading into a raiser who may have an over pair.

I think some people didn't understand that it is pretty standard to slowplay a boat and why that is. Therefore they reacted with "worst post ever", like I posted that someone flopped a set and bet out.

Perhaps I should have posted more information, but my critics should also give a more intelligent and detailed criticism rather than "worst post ever" or "this post sucks".

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MAKE BIG POTS WITH BIG HANDS

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You do realize deception, is not only achieved by checking your monsters right? If he is betting here with 45o he should also bet with a boat.