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Old 11-15-2005, 10:41 PM
Redd Redd is offline
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not raising this flop kills a kitten.

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Waiting for turn to protect = no good?
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Old 11-15-2005, 11:07 PM
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Default Re: Confused with QQ

Alright. The pot is pretty big. I can see waiting to the turn to raise for better protection. However, he'd better raise the turn.
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Old 11-15-2005, 11:08 PM
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fair enough. if you want to wait to raise a non-A non-K turn i'll buy that. but not raising the turn after calling on the flop kills a CUTE kitten.
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Old 11-16-2005, 04:07 AM
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do I give villain credit for a set/AA/KK in this spot?

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LoL. No.
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Old 11-16-2005, 07:55 AM
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Waiting for turn to protect = g0ot

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FYP
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Old 11-16-2005, 10:22 AM
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*grunch*

I'd raise the flop to see where we are. Villan could also have JJ TT 99 and AK or could be a total donk who likes to cap preflop with anything s00ted.
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:45 PM
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Default Re: Confused with QQ

Grunching:

Raise the flop to isolate CO. We do not want to give a cheap 4th street with a draw heavy board.

The CO is doing our work for us by betting and giving us a chance to get rid of UTG & UTG+1. Raise here, but expect the guy who is backing into a 4 flush to call.

Call the river as the pot is large.

You probably trapped yourself into getting beaten by a flush or straight because you were worried about raising into the CO's set or bigger pocket pair. I do the same time from time to time, but the best cure for me has been to raise the flop and river in these situations.

Good luck.

Brian
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Old 11-16-2005, 12:52 PM
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*grunch*

Not raising this flop keeps you in the dark about what your opponents may have. If you get re-raised, at least then you can start figuring out what you are up against.

No idea what CO has, but looks like UTG had AKs/AQs
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Old 11-16-2005, 04:31 PM
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Grunch. You haven't given us much to work with -- any reads or stats on villan? Assuming the "typical" player at .25/.5 I'd raise the flop, since there is a decent chance that this is unimproved AK. If he 3-bets, I'd probably call down and expect to lose. Anybody find a fold here if villan 3-bets the flop?
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Old 11-16-2005, 05:04 PM
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:grunch:

I would have raised the flop. The play would be be much different afterwards.

You should have raised one of those streets to eliminate suck-outs and to start defining ppl's hands.
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