($22) How bad was this laydown?

[pineapple888]

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For everyone pushing this flop, please explain.

He has position on them, and no straight or flush draws whatsoever. Are your guys' pushes results-oriented because the 2-outer hit on the turn? I'm calling the same way on the flop, and folding the turn. If anything else hits the turn, I'm going to raise the turn, or bet 1/3 to 1/2 the pot if its checked to me.

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Cause you only have 700 behind a 325 pot, and if you push at the 22s, you could very well get worse hands to call.

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Because you're afraid of the 2-outer hitting, so you want to try to lock into the t325 pot NOW? Especially with position? Wow.

I think you are overestimating the donkishness of the players on PP. Maybe a year and a half ago, but I think you can wait to raise the turn now. The players are still horrible, but I think you'd be better off waiting. There are cases where an ace will lead on the turn again, but will fold to reraise all in on the flop.

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I'm not afraid of anything. I'm pushing what I think is the best hand with relatively short stacks, hoping to get one of the two donks left to come along.

You play it differently, that's fine. No need to drop your jaw onto the floor.

[schwza]

fold pre-flop.

i like the flop call. one reason is that a big card may come on the turn, making Ax think he's chopping.

i would check behind on the turn and plan on folding to a non-tiny river bet.

Um yeah... have you played the 22s? Pushing here will get a call waaaay more than half the time, especially with two people in. damn near any ace, alot of pocket pairs, and sometimes even a coupla high cards.

and yes, the 325 is big enough to try and grab ahold of right now, seeing as how your kicker is crap, and there is another seven out there.

[Hornacek]

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and yes, the 325 is big enough to try and grab ahold of right now, seeing as how your kicker is crap, and there is another seven out there.

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So your reraise all in is going to try and make the guy with the other 7 (but a better kicker) FOLD? AHAHAHAHAAAHA... ok.

I haven't played a $22 in over 2 years... I guess they are complete retards then. But I still don't understand why you wouldn't just wait until the turn to reraise all in. Generally raises should be used to make draws commit to their hand. If an ace is calling a raise all in on the flop, there sure isn't anything that can come on the turn that would make him fold a raise all in on the turn.

Edit: behemoth how the hell do you have 1100 posts in less than two months...?

[pokerlaw]

when i play hands like 78, this is exactly the flop I want, and I am RRing the flop here every time. with the stacks the way they are, push it real good.

why do I push? because i get called by hands I am beating.

[jedinite]

Agreed.

At the $22s, after the bet-call its also effective to raise the flop to something like 300 or even the "deceptive donk min-raise". You'll almost always get both other people to come along, and often will get a push over the top from a much worse hand (in this case, almost certainly Ax).

So that way, most/all of the money goes in on the flop when you're ahead, and the rest of the hand becomes a bad beat story when your opponent hits their two outer on the turn.

[Hornacek]

If this kind of play works for y'all, more power to you. Just shows there's more than one way to take money from the fishies.

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and yes, the 325 is big enough to try and grab ahold of right now, seeing as how your kicker is crap, and there is another seven out there.

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So your reraise all in is going to try and make the guy with the other 7 (but a better kicker) FOLD? AHAHAHAHAAAHA... ok.

I haven't played a $22 in over 2 years... I guess they are complete retards then. But I still don't understand why you wouldn't just wait until the turn to reraise all in. Generally raises should be used to make draws commit to their hand. If an ace is calling a raise all in on the flop, there sure isn't anything that can come on the turn that would make him fold a raise all in on the turn.

Edit: behemoth how the hell do you have 1100 posts in less than two months...?

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no, I wrote the end of that sentence incorrectly, it should have come later. What I meant was that people all seemed to be forgetting abuot the fourth seven. My bad, that was just written mucho unclearly.

As far as the 1100 posts, I have a prop bet with another player concerning posts before the end of the year... and also Im spending alot more time on the forums while playing now that Im back to 4-tabling instead of 8 (a monitor broke).

yeah, sadly enough there are retards like this in the 22s.

[pokerlaw]

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As far as the 1100 posts, I have a prop bet with another player concerning posts before the end of the year...

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sorry for the brief hi-jack, but wtf kindof prop bet is this?????? Why not bet on the number of emails or IMs you can send? Is there a quality component of the posts, or can you just post "Do you see why" 23841384103413 times?

Certain gamblers amaze me sometimes...

[durron597]

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The laydown seems fair enough, but I would definitly be pushing the flop

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You have a ton of people looking for action. One of them will call you with an ace at a $22. PUSH flop.