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BobboFitos · #11 11-04-2005, 06:43 PM

if he bets you call then check river?

I dont like that plan.
I stick it in to a bet on the turn, and if he checks the turn, I bet the river, as he's likely to have a weak ace that I dont think will value bet, but will call. and I dont think he's going to straight bluff after his flop raise being called + he checked the turn (not believable)

Ideally you stick it in on the turn because a guy who overvalues his hand will be taken to the cleaners w/ a good ace, and also you dont want the board to pair above or hit his imaginary kicker. or if he's bluffing with a gutshot but wont fire river why give him a free 4 outdraw?

very standard check/push on turn imo...

baronzeus · #12 11-04-2005, 06:48 PM

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you're probably right.

if he checks behind though, at best im making a weak bet at the pot hoping he makes a stupid bluff. or i make a crazy over bet. man i dont know anything about NL

BobboFitos · #13 11-04-2005, 07:05 PM

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if he checks behind though, at best im making a weak bet at the pot hoping he makes a stupid bluff. or i make a crazy over bet. man i dont know anything about NL

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I dont think I'd ever overbet in that spot, unless he's the type that thinks he induced a crazy bet and must snap me off, but those *types* are rare.

Really, it's hand reading 101... He called pf, he's pretty loose, ok, so he doesnt have trash. He raised an ace high board, no flush draw; at this point it could be a bluff (or something like KQ/etc for gutshot) one pair ace (3outs?) or 2pair/set (AJ/66).

Fine, we call, no need to blow out better hand, no need to just get called by better hands (or AK, ie)

Turn, we check, he checks, he's keeping pot small. A bluff at this point is firing another barrel or shutting down unless a scare card hits, no real scare cards to hit though. A big hand bets the turn to installment plan a one pair hand (or unlikely A6 we have) So at this point Im pretty sold he has a weak ace. Since I dont think he'll value bet it, unless his kiccker is AQ or so, I'd rather make a bet myself and set my own price.

How much you can get is player dependant.