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Old 11-04-2005, 11:44 AM
deception5 deception5 is offline
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Default Re: Think I messed this one up...

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I like call down.

I bet the river sometimes too.

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Bet/fold or bet/call?

I was thinking check/call because there's a good chance villian value bets AK if I check but just calls if I bet. A full house will almost definitely be raised.
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Old 11-04-2005, 03:27 PM
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Default Re: Think I messed this one up...

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Bet/fold or bet/call?

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Agianst the players I'm betting the river agianst it's bet call.

I think this hand is a calldown though fwiw.
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Old 11-04-2005, 04:57 PM
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Grunching:

If villiain likes his hand that much and is that aggressive post-flop, just call the flop then raise the turn. That will look donkish, and you can get 3-bet by a wider range of hands there. Call the 3-bet then call the river if he bets or bet if checked to. If you make your gutshot, raise the river, of course.

I might even raise the river for value, but I don't like being 3-bet there. I'd have to do the math to see if the extra BB is worth getting 3-bet by AJ, KJ, AA, KK.

Edit: To answer how it was actually played, just call down and raise a J or T on the river.
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Old 11-04-2005, 05:06 PM
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Ok, I did the math. If the villiain's 3-bet on the button range was as wide as ours, raising the river is about EV neutral. But since he is only a 10% PFR, he probably has a narrower range of 3-bet hands, which makes raising the river -EV. Just call a bet or bet if checked to.
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Old 11-04-2005, 07:07 PM
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Default Re: Think I messed this one up...

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Fold preflop

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Wrong
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Old 11-04-2005, 09:43 PM
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Fold preflop

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Wrong

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Opening QJo six handed is standard? What about KTo, A9o, and A6s?
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Old 11-04-2005, 09:53 PM
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Default Re: Think I messed this one up...

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Fold preflop

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Wrong

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Opening QJo six handed is standard? What about KTo, A9o, and A6s?

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Add 55 with the above and you have all my game dependent hands for a UTG raise.
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Old 11-04-2005, 10:09 PM
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Default Re: Think I messed this one up...

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Fold preflop

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Wrong

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Opening QJo six handed is standard? What about KTo, A9o, and A6s?

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Add 55 with the above and you have all my game dependent hands for a UTG raise.

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QTo is a standard open-raise for me 6-handed, even UTG. Hell, I open-raise QTo from UTG about 90% of the time, and JTo about 50% of the time.

KTo, for sure, I open raise UTG.

A9o, I don't though. I need ATo to open from UTG (raising, of course).

A,Xs is really game/opponent/situation dependent for me. A7s is usually as low as I like to go UTG, but even that's not 100% of the time.



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