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Old 11-03-2005, 06:02 AM
MyTurn2Raise MyTurn2Raise is offline
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Default Re: A4s in the big blind.

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why would the HERO not lead out with a bet on the flop?

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Betting this flop is terrible. I shouldn't need to elaborate: but in case I do, why would you bet with a PFR directly to your left who will raise and blow away the field -- the field you need to pad the pot for your nut flush draw?

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thanks...I think I was over-valuing the possibilities of gaining an out for pairing the ace or getting the PFR to fold an Ace-broadway hand later on. I might be definitely be spewing on this type of hand lately
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Old 11-03-2005, 06:22 AM
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I didn't check/raise this flop for a couple of reasons. I think I'm pushing a small edge, out of position by doing so, and the possibility of a 3-bet from UTG+1 isn't great. I would have c/red with both donks in the hand, but with 1 I thought a flat call seemed okay. Maybe I'm off here.

As for betting the flop, I think that is the worst option here. UTG+1 may very likely raise and force the donks to call 2 cold. I don't want to see the turn heads up for 2 bets.


What do people think about the river bet? I thought this was a clear bluffing opportunity. The pfr should almost always have whiffed overcards here, and will almost certainly fold with the donk left behind him and me betting into both of them. That just leaves our friend the donkey who could have anything here. With 6.5 BBs in the pot don't we have the odds to bluff at this?
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Old 11-03-2005, 09:58 AM
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Default Re: A4s in the big blind.

nh

Those wanting a c/r on this flop aren't thinking clearly. A tag will 3 bet there with some frequency, blowing away the donk and he'll suck up almost all his equity, not you. The equity edge you have there is very small as it is, no sense in ruining it by betting out or c/ring with only 2 opponents.

The river bet I like. It only has to work like 13% of the time. You have the last aggressor in a very awekward position and calling will be hard for him. Donk could call that flop without seeing his cards.
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Old 11-03-2005, 10:03 AM
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I probably check fold this river.


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Checking this river is playing your cards. Betting this river is playing poker.
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Old 11-03-2005, 04:31 PM
Jake (The Snake) Jake (The Snake) is offline
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Default Re: A4s in the big blind.

I also prefer Hero's line on the flop for some of the reasons already mentioned.

Also, getting jiggy on the flop cuts down Hero's implied odds on the big streets due to our relative position to the pfr.
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Old 11-03-2005, 04:34 PM
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A tag will 3 bet there with some frequency, blowing away the donk and he'll suck up almost all his equity, not you.

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ahhh...great stuff Qtip. I now further see the error of betting out.
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