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Old 11-02-2005, 06:49 PM
ajmargarine ajmargarine is offline
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Default Re: 100nl pair+flush draw, im lost...

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I'd qualify my advice by also saying right now I'm losing a lot......

.........I always tend to complete the small blind with any 2 cards if unraised

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Stop doing this and it will help a little. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

As for the hand, reads would be helpful. Depending on who the villians are, I may lead $3 into that pot. It really disguises your hand as villians will put you on a K.

I always note my second card in situations like this. The 8 looks pretty clean, so if one comes I have two pair. Whereas if I had T9s and a nine came, it completes a potential straight on the board. Just something to be aware of.

As played, if you call, they know you are drawing. So you shouldn't get paid a penny more if a diamond hits on the turn. So calling kind of sucks. Having the T though gives you potentially 5 more outs to take the hand (2 T's and 3 8's). How about a c/r to about $20? That looks very strong after a bet and a raise and it should fold out most hands. And if called your hand still has quite a bit of potential.
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Old 11-02-2005, 07:03 PM
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This hand I'd fold. Your 3/1 underdog and LP I'd guess has at least TP - MP has the option of reraising you and your getting less than 2-1 on your bet. (risking 5 to win 9)


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This is ridiculously weak. You are favored here against any single pair. You have 9 outs to the flush, two outs to the set of tens, and 3 outs to your 8 to make two pair. That is no less than 14 outs here with two cards to come, you have a monster draw (assuming your flush draw is good and that they only have top pair or an over pair). You should be trying to get as much money in the pot as possible here. If you think your oppenent has a higher flush draw, you might want to push right here to push him out of the pot and possibly take it down here. If you think you are up against two kings, re-raise a reasonable amount and call any bets, three handed you are almost getting odds just to draw to your flush. It is always possible that someone has a set already or are open ended with 8-9, but if it stays 3 handed you are certainly getting odds against the range of hands your opponents are on. Sure, about half the time your draw doesn't hit, but thats poker, you actually got sucked out on if that happens.
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Old 11-02-2005, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: 100nl pair+flush draw, im lost...

Okay, how about this as an alternative. You call the flop and *if* MP folds you will now be able to be confident if you hit your flush. So you call and MP folds and hit your flush on the turn. Your T high flush could stand some protecting thus a psb is in order but you want to get paid off OOP so check instead-this may be enough to get you paid off by a strong K on the a river blank. So villain checks behind on the turn scare card, river blanks and you bet a little more than 1/2 the pot, get called and win about a $33 pot. If villain bets after you on the turn I definitely think it's time to raise your flush strong enough for him to fold an A high flush draw.

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Old 11-02-2005, 07:38 PM
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Default Re: 100nl pair+flush draw, im lost...

I usually lead on this flop by betting the pot and hope to take it down there. I think the most important thing is to price out any higher flush draws from sacking you if a diamond hits on the turn or river, so I'd pot the flop, and 3/4 pot the turn. If I'm raised, I'll assume that I'm behind, but that my flush outs are good (and possibly my outs to trips or 2-pari), and then I'll call or fold based on pot odds.

The worst case scenario is for you end up between a higher flush draw and a made hand like two-pair or a set, so try to bet out those other flush draws right from the get go.
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Old 11-02-2005, 08:15 PM
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I like to shove here (metagame). The check is fine, and leading out is fine too. Leading out is especially good if your opponents fold a lot of flops.
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