silly liberals...

[PoBoy321]

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Sean Hannity usually conducts himself in a gentlemanly manner.

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I was legitimately astonished this comment. Sean Hannity is, as a general rule, rude to guests he doesn't agree with. The same applies to many of their other pundits, namely O'Reilly and Ann Coulter who I see as a guest on many of their shows. Coulter, in particular, has been so incredibly nasty to many liberals as to be incredibly offensive.

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Far easier to piss a (present day) conservatives.

For whatever reason Liberals are willing to take criticisms, conservatives get all defensive.

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As evidenced by your exceedingly fair-minded post, which deflects the conversation from the shortcomings of your own kind and attacks someone totally unmentioned until now... nice job.

Please add to the list anyone incapable of having a political discussion without smearing his 'enemies' at every opportunity.

NT

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did i piss any other libs off?

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meh. I feel no need to defend every doofus that calls himself liberal or a democrat. Nor do I feel the need to attack every conserative qua conservative.

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i am very liberal on social issiues, less so on financial ones,...

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You're probably more "mainstream" than you think.

I agree with every single point you cite, yet I consider myself a tad more conservative than you. Libertarians think I'm centrist. Oh well, so much for labels.

nh

[PoBoy321]

I'm going to agree with most of your points. As a liberal, I feel that one of the major problems with progressive movements is that there are so many and either a few people are focusing on a single issue, or a lot of people are focused on a wide range of issues (many simply because they're "liberal causes" rather than any real ideological belief) and no one issue gets the attention that it deserves. However, a couple of issues I have with some of your complaints.

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-the people against letting the makah indians in washington state hunt wales for their religios ceromonies, their long tradition and right, according to treaty. greenpeace tried to get in the way... c'mon, now, you have GOT to have better things to do . that's really tolerant and respectful of diversity, guys.

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In all fairness, that's kind of Greenpeace's "thing." Granted, there may be some more worthwhile fights that they could bring up, but wildlife preservation is one of their main causes. Now, I don't know the specifics of the issue you're talking about. For all I know, the makah indians could want to kill the very last of some species of whale, I don't know. Still, I don't think that if they deem it to be a worthwhile fight, that it's so ridiculous for Greenpeace to protest it. Also, would it be intolerant and disrespectful of diversity if you wanted to stop a cult from practicing human sacrifice?

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-people that buy a 50MPG hybrid and then commute 100 miles, then look down their noses at their neighbors/my freinds that have a V8 jeep w/35" tires and 10MPG, but only drive it once a month. people that buy electric cars, plug it in and get their power from the coal plant down the road, then feel like they're doing their part.

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Well, if someone's commuting 100 miles every day, wouldn't it be better for them to drive the 50MPG hybrid than the 10MPG Jeep? Granted, it's wrong of them to look down on someone because of the car they drive, but I've never known anyone who did that. Also, I don't think that there are any electric cars on the mainstream market and you don't plug in hybrid cars, so I'm not sure what your second point is alluding to.

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In all fairness, that's kind of Greenpeace's "thing." Granted, there may be some more worthwhile fights that they could bring up, but wildlife preservation is one of their main causes. Now, I don't know the specifics of the issue you're talking about. For all I know, the makah indians could want to kill the very last of some species of whale, I don't know. Still, I don't think that if they deem it to be a worthwhile fight, that it's so ridiculous for Greenpeace to protest it. Also, would it be intolerant and disrespectful of diversity if you wanted to stop a cult from practicing human sacrifice?

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well... here

the makah have a legal treaty allowing them to continue to hunt and harvest whales in the waters near their reservation. whaling is a conerstone of their religion, culture, and tribal identity.

grenpeace could easily find a more effective way to use their limited recources in their fight to protect marine mammals than to harass native americans in canoes hunting legally as part of a religious ceromony and on a very small scale (only one whale since '98, i believe). the 'human sacrifice' argument is pure straw man fallacy. i suppose my point could be paraphrased as 'pick your battles'.

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Well, if someone's commuting 100 miles every day, wouldn't it be better for them to drive the 50MPG hybrid than the 10MPG Jeep? Granted, it's wrong of them to look down on someone because of the car they drive, but I've never known anyone who did that. Also, I don't think that there are any electric cars on the mainstream market and you don't plug in hybrid cars, so I'm not sure what your second point is alluding to.

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there are numerous ways to buy or build an electric vehicle- my point is that they are not any more environmentally freindly than gas cars as long as the ultimate source of power is fossil fuels.... as for the commuting hybrid comment... i was trying to point out that the CAR is not the problem, it's the DRIVING. sure, a hybrid's better than a SUV, but taking a bus would be better than each.... or living in a walkably dense community, or...


doesn't matter, really, my post was mostly just a spur of the moment rant about ignorant leftys that hurt the progressive movement by being generally self-righteous and useless.

thanks for giving it some consideration, though.

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doesn't matter, really, my post was mostly just a spur of the moment rant about ignorant leftys that hurt the progressive movement by being generally self-righteous and useless.

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I was just kind of trying to play devil's advocate with a couple of your specific arguments. I completely agree with your general point, quoted above.

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Not a bad rant. Recyling harms the environment and costs us money I'm pretty sure. Anyone seen penn and teller's "bullshit" on that?

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Not a bad rant. Recyling harms the environment and costs us money I'm pretty sure. Anyone seen penn and teller's "bullshit" on that?

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