I Don't Like Aces on the Turn - Page 2

#11 10-31-2005, 05:58 AM

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Easy bet/call IMO. Fold the river UI if villain check raised the turn.

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This definitely is a bet call. As a hypothetical, let's say the flop comes K 7 2 rainbow. The turn is the ace of the fourth suit so I have 5 outs at best as he may have easily called on the flop with A2 or A7 in which case I have 2 outs. How easy is the bet call now? To make it easy, say we have no specific read.

Donkey Kong · #12 10-31-2005, 08:24 AM

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As a hypothetical, let's say the flop comes K 7 2 rainbow. The turn is the ace of the fourth suit so I have 5 outs at best as he may have easily called on the flop with A2 or A7 in which case I have 2 outs. How easy is the bet call now? To make it easy, say we have no specific read.

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What are you talking about? Are you saying you cant count all outs full because he MIGHT limp with a crap hand and catch a little miracle, or what? I dont know where you're going with this... Are you looking for reasons to fold your hand? If you want to construct problems, how about if he has a set already and you're drawing dead? Then what will you do? Please... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Guruman · #13 10-31-2005, 10:34 AM

--blind response--

I'd fire again. A person who limps over half of his hands could have called your flop bet just about anything. If he checkraises then he may have an Ace, and he may have a worse king. If he has a naked ace, you have outs to the straight or to Kings up.

I get the feeling he won't checkraise though. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

DCWildcat · #14 10-31-2005, 05:12 PM

bet, fire pretty much any river if called, call/fold UI to a c/r.

#15 10-31-2005, 05:30 PM

bet the turn. Even if he has an ace, (which isn't extremely likely) you will have odds to the gutshot or trips to call a raise.

car ramrod · #16 10-31-2005, 05:38 PM

he's probably more scared of the A then you are.
Bet

Aaron W. · #17 10-31-2005, 07:22 PM

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Knowing that he has check-raise bluffed may make you want to check.

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Wouldn't that make you wanna bet?

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I would rather check/call a river bet and find out if he's got a bluff in him for 1 BB instead of paying 3 BB to find out if he's got a check-raise bluff in him. Knowing that he has check-raised bluff usually implies that he's also able to check-raise a made hand. I won't know which it is until I put lots of money in the pot.