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Old 10-31-2005, 02:48 AM
sthief09 sthief09 is offline
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Default Re: Clark\'s Theorem counter...stolen from SSHE

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ive found 1 or 2 exceptions

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can someone point us to the thread where clark proved this? because honestly if there are counter-examples then the proof is flawed and we need to see why.

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it's not proven. he just thinks (or thought) that it's best under any circumstance, but I have found exceptions where I'm pretty sure betting isn't best. the fact that everyone uses it blindly makes me want to put out sthief's "think for yourself" theorem
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Old 10-31-2005, 03:26 AM
NLSoldier NLSoldier is offline
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Default Re: Clark\'s Theorem counter...stolen from SSHE

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ive found 1 or 2 exceptions

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can someone point us to the thread where clark proved this? because honestly if there are counter-examples then the proof is flawed and we need to see why.

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it's not proven. he just thinks (or thought) that it's best under any circumstance, but I have found exceptions where I'm pretty sure betting isn't best. the fact that everyone uses it blindly makes me want to put out sthief's "think for yourself" theorem

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who is stheif?
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Old 10-31-2005, 03:27 AM
TStoneMBD TStoneMBD is offline
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Default Re: Clark\'s Theorem counter...stolen from SSHE

considering that hero didnt think his hand was good enough to cap the turn doing anything but calling or folding the river seems foolish since his pot equity just became worse. only exception would be if you put your opponent on JT and think he would fold it without a diamond. folding seems foolish because a good player could easily have 2 pair at this point. i really dont see the importance of this hand and i dont see why clarks theory applies to this hand from the heros persepective unless you think raising will allow villain to fold a better hand which just really isnt plausible at this point.
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Old 10-31-2005, 04:45 AM
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Default Re: Clark\'s Theorem counter...stolen from SSHE

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"think for yourself"

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how can this be +EV when all the better players have already thought for me?
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Old 10-31-2005, 07:56 AM
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Default Re: Clark\'s Theorem counter...stolen from SSHE

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Why no turn 4bet?

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Old 10-31-2005, 08:05 AM
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Default Re: Clark\'s Theorem counter...stolen from SSHE

isn't Clark's Theorem based in part on the fact that a river bluff here almost never happens? Couldn't Baku have a hand like Ace-Td or Jd here? I kinda like a raise, but i play bad.
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