TPTK vs a TAG turn c/r - Page 2

gopnik · #11 10-27-2005, 08:37 AM

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what are we beating that he 3-bets preflop? QQ, TT, KQs?

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and split with AK

lautzutao · #12 10-27-2005, 08:39 AM

True, but this is a pretty ballsy move for AK to make on this turn board against a capped Hero who he probably perceives as solid himself. Just looks like villian was trapping with a monster.

lautzutao · #13 10-27-2005, 08:42 AM

And he's not splitting vs AK[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

#14 10-27-2005, 08:59 AM

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True, but this is a pretty ballsy move for AK to make on this turn board against a capped Hero who he probably perceives as solid himself. Just looks like villian was trapping with a monster.

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I agree, the turn check-raise is upsetting.

Are you folding the turn? or
Are you check/folding the river?

#15 10-27-2005, 09:01 AM

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i call this down all day. TPTK and a c/r on a scare card? psh this ain't NL. pay off.

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Are you taking a WA\WB line and betting the river? or have you just resigned to seeing SD as cheaply as possible?

lautzutao · #16 10-27-2005, 09:07 AM

I'm probably gonna get crucified for saying this but...

If we're beat we're drawing stone dead. Certainly dead enough to not peel another card given the pot odds. If villian has AK we are still potentially "behind" if he has them in spades. What are the odds he's on a pure bluff?

My 3-bet PF range for villian are 88+, KQs+, AJs+. It doesn't look very good given this raise.

I fold.

WalkAmongUs · #17 10-27-2005, 09:08 AM

I think I was at the table when this hand occurred...

@bsolute_luck · #18 10-27-2005, 09:56 AM

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i call this down all day. TPTK and a c/r on a scare card? psh this ain't NL. pay off.

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Are you taking a WA\WB line and betting the river? or have you just resigned to seeing SD as cheaply as possible?

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resigned and cheapily. i think our hand may still be good, so the language i would use would be:

"i think my hand may good and has showdown value, but i'm not sure enough to 3-bet and i'd hate to have it capped." There's only 2 hands we fear at this point: JJ(2) and AA(1).

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let's talk about the turn bet BTW. can i offer the question: should we? and maybe this is a dumb question but shouldn't villain be folding most hands on this turn? would you fold KK here? if you're looking at hero's play from villain's perspective, there should be no way hero is betting QQ, TT again (or are you?). that leaves KK, AA, AK, JJ, so unless we have those hands crushed, we as villain should be folding right or calling with AQ?

why not as hero give a free card here and catch a bluff on the river, save $$ when we're crushed, or villain might even check/call us with a worse hand on the river hoping we're betting a worse hand.

so from there: why can't hero check the turn? we're either folding a worse hand, bluff c/r, or c/r by a hand that we're crushed by right? (i hope that makes sense, i've been drinking coffee)

lautzutao · #19 10-27-2005, 10:14 AM

This isn't a 20BB pot we're talking about. We're going to end up paying 2 more BB to win how many? And how often are we going to win here?

sean c · #20 10-27-2005, 10:20 AM

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i call this down all day. TPTK and a c/r on a scare card? psh this ain't NL. pay off.

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Are you taking a WA\WB line and betting the river? or have you just resigned to seeing SD as cheaply as possible?

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resigned and cheapily. i think our hand may still be good, so the language i would use would be:

"i think my hand may good and has showdown value, but i'm not sure enough to 3-bet and i'd hate to have it capped." There's only 2 hands we fear at this point: JJ(2) and AA(1).

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let's talk about the turn bet BTW. can i offer the question: should we? and maybe this is a dumb question but shouldn't villain be folding most hands on this turn? would you fold KK here? if you're looking at hero's play from villain's perspective, there should be no way hero is betting QQ, TT again (or are you?). that leaves KK, AA, AK, JJ, so unless we have those hands crushed, we as villain should be folding right or calling with AQ?

why not as hero give a free card here and catch a bluff on the river, save $$ when we're crushed, or villain might even check/call us with a worse hand on the river hoping we're betting a worse hand.

so from there: why can't hero check the turn? we're either folding a worse hand, bluff c/r, or c/r by a hand that we're crushed by right? (i hope that makes sense, i've been drinking coffee)

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Nice post