$650 - Diablo didn't know what I should do here... - Page 2

gumpzilla · #11 10-23-2005, 11:39 AM

I agree with Kane, I think I call here and happily get it on the flop if no K or A comes. Getting it in now seems a little high risk given that you're probably in pretty good position to secure a seat already, but calling seems like pretty good risk-reward.

Yeti · #12 10-23-2005, 11:45 AM

I just want to point out that you two are agreeing with exitonly.

Kane can't even read threads right lately.

gumpzilla · #13 10-23-2005, 11:48 AM

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I just want to point out that you two are agreeing with exitonly.

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Good point, my reading of the thread basically consisted of scrolling down quickly and skimming.

adanthar · #14 10-23-2005, 12:42 PM

I was watching this sat (didn't know it was you) and I believe, though I am not sure, that with 19 left you didn't have quite enough to fold in but were fairly close. Given that, I would push right here and take my chances because the last thing you want to do in that situation is see a flop.

If you had another 10K I think I would just fold.

Yeti · #15 10-23-2005, 12:44 PM

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I was watching this sat (didn't know it was you) and I believe, though I am not sure, that with 19 left you didn't have quite enough to fold in but were fairly close. Given that, I would push right here and take my chances because the last thing you want to do in that situation is see a flop.

If you had another 10K I think I would just fold.

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I tried to keep a low profile as I am bad and inexperienced enough without the added pressure of people sweating.

Thanks for the reply, I heard you were the man to ask re: sats.

Exitonly · #16 10-23-2005, 12:49 PM

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because the last thing you want to do in that situation is see a flop.

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Care to explain that a bit? I trust you're right on this, but reasoning would help.

HiatusOver · #17 10-23-2005, 01:05 PM

Seems like a VERY EASY push to me...about to go watch football so I will explain later if I remember.

Mr. Curious · #18 10-23-2005, 01:13 PM

Don't you need to be concerned here about what your action will cause the BB to do?

He's got a huge stack at this point and if you just call, he'll be getting 3.5:1 to call and put you in a more difficult position if he puts you all-in.

Everyone's advice seems to be predicated on the it being heads up between you and the preflop raiser, but I don't see how that will be gauranteed when the BB is still to act and he will have the chance to possibly knock two players out.

btw - What happens if the button or the SB pushes all-in instead of the BB?

adanthar · #19 10-23-2005, 01:21 PM

Bad things happen on flops, such as having to fold the best hand and losing a very important 5K, or (aside from hitting a set) someone having something like 8-12 outs and willing to push the rest of their chips into a big pot. If you let KJs see a flop and he flops a draw plus two overs he thinks are good, you've made a really big mistake.

There is more to it than that, but that is where you start from.

MLG · #20 10-23-2005, 01:25 PM

I think its a push, but certainly not an easy one. What worries me about pushing is that the open raiser is short enough that he will likely stick the rest of his chips in with AK. Also, you don't include avg. stack, or how many short stacks there were. an abundence of shorties could sway this to a fold.

Also, im reasonably sure that if I was MP with that stack if I wanted to play a hand I'd open push.