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krimson · #11 10-20-2005, 11:01 AM

No reads, so not sure how accurate this is. But frankly I don't see how QQ or JT can continue in this hand past the turn? I think we're most likely ahead of KQ or AQ and can raise this and get paid off.

Someone said that KQ would make more noise on the flop, but I think that the person holding KQ may have decided to play the flop wa/wb and just c/c, he's either behind AK or ahead of your TT-QQ.

When the river hits, that's too many overcards to expect you to continue betting with something like TT or JJ, so he takes the initiative and bets out.

#12 10-20-2005, 11:47 AM

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No reads, so not sure how accurate this is. But frankly I don't see how QQ or JT can continue in this hand past the turn? I think we're most likely ahead of KQ or AQ and can raise this and get paid off.

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Agreed

shant · #13 10-20-2005, 11:54 AM

If we can expect a player to be calling down this board and this action with QQ, I don't think we can also expect them to bet/fold KQ or AQ.

#14 10-20-2005, 12:33 PM

This is an interesting hand. The hands that you are worried about are AA,KK, QQ, and J10. The first three seem unlikely since you would have been raised on the flop and/or turn with these hands. J10 is also unlikely since I can't imagine a good player calling three bets with J10. The most likely opponent's hand seems to be a busted heart flush draw. I would raise and call a reraise on the end

PokerBob · #15 10-20-2005, 02:02 PM

.....and get 3-bet, is there any value in a call? What do i beat that plays this way often enough to make a call +EV?

W. Deranged · #16 10-20-2005, 02:15 PM

Raise it up and call a three-bet. QQ isn't getting to the river often, AA and KK would've likely shown more aggression earlier, and 44, 66, and JT usually aren't open-raising EP (and when they are, it's often from a very laggy player who even in a short amount of time you might have been able to identify).

jason_t · #17 10-20-2005, 03:22 PM

Raise.

Fat Nicky · #18 10-20-2005, 03:35 PM

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.....and get 3-bet, is there any value in a call? What do i beat that plays this way often enough to make a call +EV?

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This is difficult to figure out without a proper read. But we do know there are some bad players that will 3-bet with a worse 2-pair her, so I can't see how we can possibly lay this down to a 3-bet

callmedonnie · #19 10-20-2005, 03:42 PM

It looks like WA/WB line. What hands are helped by the Queen? Queens and AQ. Given board I think both AQ is more likely, so shouldn't you raise?