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[droolie]

Bet fold the river.

[ReptileHouse]

A reasonable pre-flop 3-bet range for the button is TT-AA, AQ, AK or so, I'd think. Possibly wider, but that's a not unreasonable set of holdings.

Hand ranges as-of the turn:

We're behind:
AA (3)
AK (6)
AQ (12)

Tied with:
KK (1)

and ahead of:
QQ (6)
JJ (6)
TT (6)

We're behind 21 and ahead of 18 with a 5BB pot before we act on the turn.

I bet out on the turn and go into WA/WB mode if raised and call down.

What's the button 3-bet PF with?

AA - JJ, AKs, AK. Any chance of AQ?

I think you're behind 1(AA) of the 6 possibilities (excluding AQ) on the flop and behind 3(AA,AKs,AK) of the 6 on the turn.

I'm thinking AA, KK would be leading out on this flop, AK is calling with overcards on this flop.

I say bet fold the turn. (What do I know)

[droolie]

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A reasonable pre-flop 3-bet range for the button is TT-AA, AQ, AK or so, I'd think. Possibly wider, but that's a not unreasonable set of holdings.

Hand ranges as-of the turn:

We're behind:
AA (3)
AK (6)
AQ (12)

Tied with:
KK (1)

and ahead of:
QQ (6)
JJ (6)
TT (6)

We're behind 21 and ahead of 18 with a 5BB pot before we act on the turn.

I bet out on the turn and go into WA/WB mode if raised and call down.

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we're not ahead of QQ

[Nick Royale]

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A reasonable pre-flop 3-bet range for the button is TT-AA, AQ, AK or so, I'd think. Possibly wider, but that's a not unreasonable set of holdings.

Hand ranges as-of the turn:

We're behind:
AA (3)
AK (6)
AQ (12)

Tied with:
KK (1)

and ahead of:
QQ (6)
JJ (6)
TT (6)

We're behind 21 and ahead of 18 with a 5BB pot before we act on the turn .

I bet out on the turn and go into WA/WB mode if raised and call down.

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we're not ahead of QQ

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[blackaces13]

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Yes, most people here will recommend betting the turn. Are you going to keep up with this mystery? Why don't you just state was was recommended along with the reasons why. The forum is a good place to play a guessing game. But most prefer to discuss hands...

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I'm not playing a guessing game, I posted a hand and I'm waiting for some discussion before I post what all these pros recommended. I think its intersting because I know its not what most here would do. Also, if I post what they said then you get less people willing to disagree with such authorities on poker.

[ReptileHouse]

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we're not ahead of QQ

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We are on the turn.

edit: On the river, we're behind the 3 combos of QQ. That still leaves things at about pretty even from that hand range. Button has done nothing so far to narrow that range, so as played I think we have to call this river.

[brettbrettr]

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if I post what they said then you get less people willing to disagree with such authorities on poker.


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This is why I said to post the whole thing. I don't think anyone here is afraid of disagreeing with any of these poker players.

[blackaces13]

They all said that check call was the obvious play on the turn against almost any opponent and at any limit, none even said it was close. As for the river, the recommended play was check and make a crying call because of the pot odds. If the guy bets the river again you should expect to lose but pay off anyway.

Most posters at the other place said checking the turn was weak and you have to fire again which is what I would have expected most to advise here as well. The question was then asked of Dan N. to provide other examples of calling down OOP and he gave the following, among others:

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You raise with KQ and get three bet by the button. Flop K-6-4 rainbow. You check raise the flop and he calls. Turn is an ACE. You check call, and maybe fold on the river to a bet, or pay it off against a tricky player.


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In the above situation I think this is clearly a bet/fold line since a worse hand can't possibly raise that turn unless you are playing an extreme LAG. In the original KK hand, much of the reason to check the turn was to avoid being taken off the best hand by a free showdown raise from QQ-JJ which is a legitimate concern, particularly if they are aggressive and know that you are capable of laying down a hand such as KK to a turn raise on an A high board. In the above hand however, I don't see how a reasonable player makes a move on the turn with a worse hand.

[blackaces13]

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