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10-18-2005, 06:58 PM
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Re: College player forced to sit out due to shoes
What do you think of the ethics of an educator at a public university signing a contract with a company, the enforcement of which will cause harm to a student and a citizen of the state?
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10-18-2005, 07:00 PM
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Re: College player forced to sit out due to shoes
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What do you think of the ethics of an educator at a public university signing a contract with a company, the enforcement of which will cause harm to a student and a citizen of the state? [/ QUOTE ] It's not educators signing contracts. It's Athletic Directors and the like.
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10-18-2005, 07:01 PM
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Re: College player forced to sit out due to shoes
I will parttially answer the question I posed to you in the post above. The university should put its student (and as a state funded school its citizen) ahead of Nike or Addidas. That may mean leaving the professional sports business and returning to education I grant you.
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10-18-2005, 07:04 PM
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Re: College player forced to sit out due to shoes
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I will parttially answer the question I posed to you in the post above. The university should put its student (and as a state funded school its citizen) ahead of Nike or Addidas. That may mean leaving the professional sports business and returning to education I grant you. [/ QUOTE ] If a public university is interested in educating student athletes, the entire college sports world will change.
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10-18-2005, 07:09 PM
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Re: College player forced to sit out due to shoes
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It's not educators signing contracts. It's Athletic Directors and the like. [/ QUOTE ] Athletic Directors are (supposed to be) educators, first and foremost. The principal line of BS we hear from universities and the NCAA about how we have to keep payola away from the student-athlete, etc., is that the primary goal of all college athletics is to help educate young people and provide a positive influence to jumpstart their lives. AD's are part of that process, as well. This kind of crap destroys the credibility of what college athletics claims to stand for, and shows it for what it really is. A business that indentures athletes for profit...yeah, ~$30k in scholarships is nice...but the amount of money most of these football/basketball programs generate for their universities puts all the scholarship money to absolute shame. It's no excuse for behavior like this.
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10-18-2005, 07:11 PM
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[ QUOTE ] im definitely with the kid. if its one kid with a legitimate knee problem, let him switch. adidas looks really bad here. [/ QUOTE ] Here's the problem with that. If I'm Adidas or Nike or any company negotiating contracts with universities that haven't honored previous contracts, I'm either not going to deal with them or lowball them. Either way, this really hurts the university. [/ QUOTE ] you are totally overreacting to this
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10-18-2005, 07:15 PM
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Re: College player forced to sit out due to shoes
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[ QUOTE ] It's not educators signing contracts. It's Athletic Directors and the like. [/ QUOTE ] Athletic Directors are (supposed to be) educators, first and foremost. The principal line of BS we hear from universities and the NCAA about how we have to keep payola away from the student-athlete, etc., is that the primary goal of all college athletics is to help educate young people and provide a positive influence to jumpstart their lives. AD's are part of that process, as well. This kind of crap destroys the credibility of what college athletics claims to stand for, and shows it for what it really is. A business that indentures athletes for profit...yeah, ~$30k in scholarships is nice...but the amount of money most of these football/basketball programs generate for their universities puts all the scholarship money to absolute shame. It's no excuse for behavior like this. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that ADs *should be* educators. But they aren't. Without NCAA wide changes, they won't be educators either because college athletics has become a business. To stay competitive, ADs must act like businessmen. If they don't, they will lose their jobs.
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10-18-2005, 07:16 PM
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Re: College player forced to sit out due to shoes
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] im definitely with the kid. if its one kid with a legitimate knee problem, let him switch. adidas looks really bad here. [/ QUOTE ] Here's the problem with that. If I'm Adidas or Nike or any company negotiating contracts with universities that haven't honored previous contracts, I'm either not going to deal with them or lowball them. Either way, this really hurts the university. [/ QUOTE ] you are totally overreacting to this [/ QUOTE ] Not true. It's important for universities to maintain good standing business relations otherwise they won't have that funding and will have to get it elsewhere.
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10-18-2005, 07:22 PM
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Re: College player forced to sit out due to shoes
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It's not educators signing contracts. It's Athletic Directors and the like. [/ QUOTE ] Athletic Directors are (supposed to be) educators, first and foremost. The principal line of BS we hear from universities and the NCAA about how we have to keep payola away from the student-athlete, etc., is that the primary goal of all college athletics is to help educate young people and provide a positive influence to jumpstart their lives. AD's are part of that process, as well. This kind of crap destroys the credibility of what college athletics claims to stand for, and shows it for what it really is. A business that indentures athletes for profit...yeah, ~$30k in scholarships is nice...but the amount of money most of these football/basketball programs generate for their universities puts all the scholarship money to absolute shame. It's no excuse for behavior like this. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that ADs *should be* educators. But they aren't. Without NCAA wide changes, they won't be educators either because college athletics has become a business. To stay competitive, ADs must act like businessmen. If they don't, they will lose their jobs. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, that's what I'm saying. College athletics needs to decide if it's an educational event or a business event. If it's an educational event, then ridiculous crap like this must stop happening. If it's a business event, then it's time to start treating college athletes like what they really are...employees (and that means paying them something for their work). If this story were taking place in professional sports, I'd say yeah - athlete's gotta suck it up and wear the shoes his team or he had signed a deal with...they're paying his bills. But in college, where the athlete is supposed to be there providing athletic services in exchange for education/help growing, maturing into the world...no way. It's gross.
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10-18-2005, 07:22 PM
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Re: College player forced to sit out due to shoes
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[ QUOTE ] What do you think of the ethics of an educator at a public university signing a contract with a company, the enforcement of which will cause harm to a student and a citizen of the state? [/ QUOTE ] It's not educators signing contracts. It's Athletic Directors and the like. [/ QUOTE ] This argument is the best one I have seen for abolishing scholarship athletics at universities.
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