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Old 10-17-2005, 06:32 PM
Drontier Drontier is offline
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if you ahead here, I think villain rarely has 5 outs. He has 2 or 3 outs most of the time. And for the times he semibluffs with a draw, you can either charge him the extra one now, and he can make 2 more off of you on the river when he hits, or you just make that one when he misses. If you call here, you lose 2 when he hits the draw, but you gain 1 as he is probably voluntarily betting that river if he misses anyways. So this way you lose 2 when he hits and gain one when ahead. Clearly the second option is better then right?
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Old 10-17-2005, 06:39 PM
JohnnyHumongous JohnnyHumongous is offline
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he probably doesn't have a draw on this particular board though. he probably has a pair which has up to 5 outs which I'd like to charge the max. I'm holding a 'monster' shorthanded and if nothing else, I also tell people with this play that they better think twice before taking shots at me or slowing me down with the free showdown raise.

if you get raised again on the river, particularly if a 3rd club hits, I would have to say that fold is the correct play. I definitely hear what you're saying about the river checkraise, but it seems like it works best against a draw semibluff, which a) doesn't appear likely on this board and b) won't pay off the river checkraise. Get the bets in now sez I.
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Old 10-17-2005, 06:48 PM
cockandbull cockandbull is offline
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could both you and johnnyh list your ideas with regards to hand ranges and likely % and we can work out the best line.
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