Is B&M low limit waste of time? - Page 2

#11 10-15-2005, 12:42 PM

California 3-6 is definitely beatable. I'm more than $12/hour up in 300 hours play so far this calendar year playing a fairly standard TAG game (agree Lee Jones is excellent for this sort of game). But you do have to expect to take some swings along the way. And it is essential to be able to maintain your composure and not tilt when your TPTK gets taken down by 7-5 on the river two hands in a row.

smb394 · #12 10-15-2005, 12:58 PM

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California 3-6 is definitely beatable. I'm more than $12/hour up in 300 hours play so far this calendar year playing a fairly standard TAG game

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I don't dispute that you can crush these games, but is 6BB/100 really sustainable?

Low-limit games are also fun when you're there with friends, or just want to drink a bit more when you're playing. Your mistakes compound less.

sternroolz · #13 10-15-2005, 05:09 PM

Look,

The composure of the games you play in is everything. I used to play in a shorthanded stud & stud 8 home micro limit game($0.50-$1). Typically there were 5 players. Each time we would play for about 4-6 hours. Out of 50 times playing, my win rate was 7 BB/hour. I had one losing session. The only other clueful player had only 3 losing sessions and similiar win results. The big loser in the game never had even one winning session and in my estimation lost an average of $40 a session(7-10 BB per hour).

Point is, games are highly beatable depending on the lineup of the game. This is something that is really easy to do in a place like Los Angeles where there may be 100 $3-6 and $4-8 tables available to you on any given night, citywide. The high drop eats at profit for sure, but some of these games are so profitable that you can win anyway. And the argument that players keep getting busted....believe me...at Commerce there will still be at least 5-10 full $3-6 and $4-8 games going every morning between 4am and 8am.

scott2130 · #14 10-15-2005, 05:28 PM

I just pulled over $400 from a 2/5 spread game last night in 4hrs. So I don't think low limits are a waste of time. You just have to adjust your game to the situation. Also, here in colorado we have $5 max bets, so I don't have a choice to play at this level.

#15 10-15-2005, 05:46 PM

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California 3-6 is definitely beatable. I'm more than $12/hour up in 300 hours play so far this calendar year playing a fairly standard TAG game

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I don't dispute that you can crush these games, but is 6BB/100 really sustainable?

Low-limit games are also fun when you're there with friends, or just want to drink a bit more when you're playing. Your mistakes compound less.

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It's not 6BB/hour in either of the senses of BB but no matter. It may well not be sustainable, but I also feel reasonably confident that given the (lack of) quality in the games that an observant, TAG player can beat them for about one big bet an hour ($6 in this case) in the long run. A couple of people at the table playing any Ax and calling you down when you have TPBK accounts for a huge amount of profit in the long run. Also people who will call a pre-flop raise with any 2 suited cards.

I like the small limit at the moment as I am taking a sabattical year and my lack of income makes me nervous about playing too much no limit. And I don't enjoy playing online nearly as much as playing live. I'd play them if I was doing less well, but have been surprised by quite how beatable the games here are given the rake.

solucky · #16 10-15-2005, 06:48 PM

400 with 2/5 seems you get the magic cards [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. Thx all, like i said i was winning a bit. Guess the best was the experience to play live and the social component.

Bulbarainey · #17 10-15-2005, 08:55 PM

he meant per 100 hands, and at commerce id say we get maybe 30-35/hr with the auto shuffler. However, I agree with you though that 3/6 at commerce is definately beatable. I recently quit playing online and have been hitting that up a lot, so far $17.82/hr but I only have 20 hours logged....I guess well see in the long run what really happens... I expect it to be around ~10-12$/hr. I think the 1/3 blinds also helps save a bit more than it would at a game using even numbers. The thing about Commerce is about 90% of the players are complete donks, and I think the extra 1 or 2 every hand who call for absolutely no reason make up for the high rake. The trouble we will have later on at Commerce is the 4/8 game, the biggest donkfest there, where the swings will be so huge...

sternroolz · #18 10-16-2005, 05:49 PM

I think 1.5 BB per hour is sustainable at all Commerce games $3-6 up to $15-30. This assumes mostly weekend evening play, table selection of loose/passive or loose/aggressive tables. If you can handle the swings that is.

belloc · #19 10-18-2005, 10:38 AM

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I just pulled over $400 from a 2/5 spread game last night in 4hrs. So I don't think low limits are a waste of time. You just have to adjust your game to the situation. Also, here in colorado we have $5 max bets, so I don't have a choice to play at this level.

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Well done! Next, come back after you've played 400 hours and let us know what your hourly rate is. I guarantee that unless you're an unbelievable player (or your cardroom's rake structure is unbelievably generous), your winrate will be a fairly small dollar amount in this game.

BoogerFace · #20 10-18-2005, 11:16 AM

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I think 1.5 BB per hour is sustainable at all Commerce games $3-6 up to $15-30. This assumes mostly weekend evening play, table selection of loose/passive or loose/aggressive tables. If you can handle the swings that is.

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I think that's the best reason of all to play a significant amount of low limit, to learn how to deal with the swings.

Even the higher limits will get donk-tastic at times.