flopped set after LRR and crazy flop action

[Adam22]

[ QUOTE ]
I am folding this facing the cap PF. Very often the limp/3bet is KK or AA, and you're way behind. Nothing wrong with the first call, but you're out of position for the rest of the hand with garbage if you don't flop a set, and even if you do it often won't hold up in this situation.

[/ QUOTE ]

i think we're all aware that he's got garbage if he doesn't flop a set. do you understand why small pairs are valuable multi-way?

[ QUOTE ]
I am folding this facing the cap PF. Very often the limp/3bet is KK or AA, and you're way behind. Nothing wrong with the first call, but you're out of position for the rest of the hand with garbage if you don't flop a set, and even if you do it often won't hold up in this situation.

[/ QUOTE ]

Read, then Re-Read SSHE

[felix83]

[ QUOTE ]
If you fold preflop with a pp getting 8-1 you just don't get poker.

[/ QUOTE ]

Normally I never would, but again, it's just because of what I very often see turned over when a guy limp/caps that makes me fold here. 8-1 is great, unless someone has shown you (and from what I've seen it's true about 90% of the time) a higher PP. In reference to the later post, I have read and reread SSHE, although it was a while ago, so I honestly can't remember if these odds make it unimportant that someone likely has a higher PP at this point. If that's the case, then I'll happily admit my mistake and correct my game accordingly. That's what I'm here for. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Stealthy]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
If you fold preflop with a pp getting 8-1 you just don't get poker.

[/ QUOTE ]

Normally I never would, but again, it's just because of what I very often see turned over when a guy limp/caps that makes me fold here. 8-1 is great, unless someone has shown you (and from what I've seen it's true about 90% of the time) a higher PP. In reference to the later post, I have read and reread SSHE, although it was a while ago, so I honestly can't remember if these odds make it unimportant that someone likely has a higher PP at this point. If that's the case, then I'll happily admit my mistake and correct my game accordingly. That's what I'm here for. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

Of course he has a higher PP and that is exactly what you want him to have. How much of a mess do you think you have somebody with AA in if you flop a set here?

You have plenty of odds to try and hit a set and if you don't you are gone on the flop in the absence of a straight draw. You can also expect your flopped set to hold up the vast majority of the time here as well. The 8 - 1 odds and the simply MASSIVE implied odds if you flop your set in this big pot make calling correct and folding simply terrible.

[BigBrother]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I think there's a less than 0% chance that this turn gets checked through

[/ QUOTE ]

so i check, its checked through

river: blank

i bet, LRRer raises, capper folds, i 3-bet, LRR calls and shows AA, i win a big ass pot

[/ QUOTE ]

Obviously you'd expect one of them to bet the turn. My guess is that the late position had the draw and put in the last bet on the flop hoping to get some air on the turn. Since AA is a MORON he thought he'd try to check-raise, or that he could be losing to a set and went limp.

You can't expect this lineup often. I think you can expect one of your villains to be on a draw, but usually the other will be a made hand that will wisely charge any draws on the turn.

I would have gone for the C/R as well, although it's more likely to wake them up than if you Donk it. That might just set them into a frenzy, while C/R might slow them down.

As it played out, your weakness on the turn paid off since the moron overestimated his AA at the end. You hate this line if the draw gets there for free and beats you, obviously.

[newhizzle]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
If you fold preflop with a pp getting 8-1 you just don't get poker.

[/ QUOTE ]

Normally I never would, but again, it's just because of what I very often see turned over when a guy limp/caps that makes me fold here. 8-1 is great, unless someone has shown you (and from what I've seen it's true about 90% of the time) a higher PP. In reference to the later post, I have read and reread SSHE, although it was a while ago, so I honestly can't remember if these odds make it unimportant that someone likely has a higher PP at this point. If that's the case, then I'll happily admit my mistake and correct my game accordingly. That's what I'm here for. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

youre going to hit a set more than once in 8 times, it dosent matter what they hold, you have to call, if they have AA and KK, that is better for you because it pretty much guarentees implied odds that you really dont even need

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I think there's a less than 0% chance that this turn gets checked through

[/ QUOTE ]

so i check, its checked through

river: blank

i bet, LRRer raises, capper folds, i 3-bet, LRR calls and shows AA, i win a big ass pot

[/ QUOTE ]

I hope he's on your buddylist now.