i suck. turn donks suck too. - Page 2

detruncate · #11 10-15-2005, 12:16 AM

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You don't think he donks this fairly often hoping to 3-bet?

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A .5/1 player? Absolutely not. That's more 10/20 level thinking. I probably wouldn't bet/3-bet trips here either just because most micro players aren't aggressive enough to raise these donkbets.

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Perhaps. But given the current state of Empire + the reload there are quite a few people playing .5/1 that wouldn't ordinarily be there. In any case, I think it'd more appropriate when it looks like an attempt to avoid giving a free card, but I'm not ready to completely dismiss it.

bottomset · #12 10-15-2005, 02:20 AM

call the turn

river is close, I think I raise most of the time

Yerma · #13 10-15-2005, 02:42 AM

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You like the turn raise rather than a river raise?

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It's a matter of "what does he not want you to do?" If he has it, then you are in trouble no matter what you continue to do in this hand. If he does not have it, but has a little something (medium pocket pair maybe), he would rather see you raise the river than the turn. That's because he may not get to see the river or the showdown if you raise the turn.

#14 10-15-2005, 03:02 AM

WA\WB.

I'm raising the river.

Aaron W. · #15 10-15-2005, 03:28 AM

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WA\WB.

I'm raising the river.

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Zuh?

#16 10-15-2005, 03:50 AM

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WA\WB.

I'm raising the river.

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Zuh?

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[img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] I meant, if he hesitates for even a milisecond, I'm raising the river.

detruncate · #17 10-15-2005, 04:15 AM

Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: dumbass is UTG+2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 folds, 1 folds, dumbass raises, 6 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, dumbass bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, dumbass calls.

River: (5.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, dumbass raises, BB 3-bets, dumbass calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB.

Results:

BB has Tc Ah (two pairs, aces and tens.)
dumbass has Qd Ad (two pairs, aces and fives.)
BB wins 10.75 BB.

I was unhappy with this hand. The river raise can't be made without a read unless I'm willing to fold to a 3-bet. I haven't been able to make much better than TP for a while and that sometimes leads to me thinking that my opponents aren't any better at hitting the board (or folding when behind).

I'm not thrilled about calling with AT pf if I'm Villain, but it's conceivable that my opponents think I'm every bit as bad as I've been playing.

#18 10-15-2005, 04:41 AM

I would 3-bet that preflop. You cant lay down A10o from the blind from an MP raiser.

adsman · #19 10-15-2005, 04:55 AM

I think that I would call the Turn, raise the River and fold to a 3 bet. Tough to do this though. It makes me feel kinda dirty....

detruncate · #20 10-15-2005, 05:29 AM

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I would 3-bet that preflop. You cant lay down A10o from the blind from an MP raiser.

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If you're 3-betting me OOP with ATo when I'm raising UTG+2 I love you a lot unless you're very good post flop.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

23,882,374 games 32.203 secs 741,619 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 64.6275 % 62.36% 02.44% { 99+, ATs+, KJs+, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 2: 35.3725 % 33.03% 02.44% { ATo }

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A call might not be that bad getting 3.5:1, but you're going to be dominated a lot.

It changes some when it comes from LMP-LP, but I'm not likely to be raising particulaly light at a full table from EP.