Tells section from SSHE

[bernie]

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As far as personal experience, I don't see that many really weak players in small stakes these days.

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Where are you playing where all these tricky/tougher LL players are?

That's all I see on live 4-8 and lower. Hell, even 10-20 is chock full of weak players. Weak means more than just them misreading hands. They are either weak and passive/predictable, or, for many 3-6(more-so smaller cardrooms around here) and lower, are maniacal. Maniacal games aren't tough. Those are weak players too. The guys capping all the way blindly are weak. Albeit, frustrating at times, but weak.

Ed's book is also aimed at the more passive game, imo.

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Unfortunately living in Florida and the out dated gambling laws here, the only live games I play are home games. The law in Casinos are a maximum bet of $2. So the highest limit games here are $2-2 Hold'em. Sucks huh?

Anyways, since most home game players are regulars, most of them are at the very least decent and competent players. I've found the tells in these games to follow what Caro says in his book pretty accurately. When people were acting strong (e.x. diliberate betting, staring people down before they bet) it almost always meant their hand was weak. Same goes for when they acted weak/uninterested. In those cases they were usually very strong.

If your game is the opposite, then I guess this section does hold some merit. Still though, I believe they should've made it more clear that this 'attack weakness' strategy only applys to a specific type of player.


Also, someone said that Caro's book on tells was out dated. I disagree with this. While the specific tells on Draw Poker are out dated, for the most part his book dealt with general human behavior and still apply today.

[bernie]

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Unfortunately living in Florida and the out dated gambling laws here, the only live games I play are home games. The law in Casinos are a maximum bet of $2. So the highest limit games here are $2-2 Hold'em. Sucks huh?

Anyways, since most home game players are regulars, most of them are at the very least decent and competent players. I've found the tells in these games to follow what Caro says in his book pretty accurately.

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I'd venture to say that your sample size of players is very small in terms of making the claims you did.

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If your game is the opposite, then I guess this section does hold some merit. Still though, I believe they should've made it more clear that this 'attack weakness' strategy only applys to a specific type of player.

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I'd suggest venturing out into a cardroom that has at least 3 tables in it and you will see exactly the type of player/game he is talking about that is rampant in most games in cardrooms up to 10-20, even 20-40 that the book is designed for.

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Also, someone said that Caro's book on tells was out dated. I disagree with this. While the specific tells on Draw Poker are out dated, for the most part his book dealt with general human behavior and still apply today.

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This I agree with. Everyone acts like everyone is suddenly aware of all their own tells as if they've read this book and gained enlightenment. Which is just laughable.

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[Guthrie]

You should PM David or Mason. I'm sure they'll give you a book deal.

Phil Ivey once threw away a pair of $1100 sunglasses his wife bought him bc he misread his hand when he had them on. He said that you should just eliminate your tells instead of covering them up. People can read your eyes. Don't give them anything to read.

[wonkadaddy]

whatever. wear shades if you want, or don't.

whomever said the first thing you need to do to ID how players are playing was right on. An exaggerated, exasperated sigh followed by a raise is an obvious weak means strong. Someone looking unsure before he calls is usually (but not always) a weak means weak. SSHE isn't a book on tells/body language folks. use some commonsense.