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#11
10-13-2005, 12:15 PM
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Re: Perhaps a dumb theory question....
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A lot of it for me is that odds are so complicated to calculate, and alot of players so donkish that I just don't want to have my A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] running into a 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] board and being like wtf mate with like 20% of my stack already in the middle. [/ QUOTE ] I wouldn't mind this one bit. Many times you will move in on the flop and be called by a worse flush draw with a worse backkdoor low and rarely is someone seeing a flop in a raised pot with 88 or J8 (and if they are then I know my money will be coming back soon enough), so you don't have to worry too much about being totally killed. There are 2 fairly successful ways to play PLO8 at the low limits, you can nut peddle and win small pots and hit the eventual score when a total sucker pays you off or you can try to push edges and play a higher variance style (like Wintermute, Ribbo and others here try to play). I think the latter style will be most profitable (especially at higher limits where nut peddlers don't get paid off as much). I would probably push all in on the given flop 100% of the time if I could with my AA25, if someone moves in ahead of me, then I have to worry a bit. 
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#12
10-13-2005, 12:40 PM
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Re: Perhaps a dumb theory question....
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If you give 2 people AA in holdem and put a slew of PPs out against them, then the Aces will eventually become a dog since they are playing to split the profits while the others are playing to win the whole pot. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think its comparable.. because with 2 players have aces preflop, there's going to be so much PF action, that 99% of the time its going to be aces heads up against each other. I would argue that you don't see 4 people getting it all in PF in No Limit Texas Holdem that often...
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#13
10-13-2005, 01:01 PM
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Re: Perhaps a dumb theory question....
You mean that's not fun watching all-ins for $1.50 in blinds?
When they flip over A2s or AA and two non-wheel cards, it makes my head hurt and makes me want to take a shot at this once in a while with a premium hand.
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#14
10-13-2005, 01:48 PM
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Re: Perhaps a dumb theory question....
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[ QUOTE ] If you give 2 people AA in holdem and put a slew of PPs out against them, then the Aces will eventually become a dog since they are playing to split the profits while the others are playing to win the whole pot. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think its comparable.. because with 2 players have aces preflop, there's going to be so much PF action, that 99% of the time its going to be aces heads up against each other. I would argue that you don't see 4 people getting it all in PF in No Limit Texas Holdem that often... [/ QUOTE ] The point is exactly the same, the reason the aces are doing poorly is not because they have no chance to improve or aren't winning very often, it is because they have to split most of the time when they win. Suppose one of the aces hands folds preflop, pokenum -mc 500000 -o8 as ad 2d 3h - kd qd ks qs / ac ah 2s 3c Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled boards cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV As Ad 2d 3h 259137 259137 240863 0 265424 0 0 0.606 Ks Qs Kd Qd 153108 240863 259137 0 0 0 0 0.394 Now the remaining AA23 is a nice favorite (I included the other AA23 as dead cards for this). It is the fact that the hands are exactly the same that is killing their chances and this will be an extremely odd occurence.
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#15
10-13-2005, 02:10 PM
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Re: Perhaps a dumb theory question....
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Uhh, I'm not sure that's true. There seems to be a lot about preflop odds in O8 that I don't understand and multi-way pots is one of them. Check this out: As Ad 3d 2h 0.308 2s Ac 3c Ah 0.330 Ks Qs Kd Qd 0.362 [/ QUOTE ] Uh, what's "not true"? I merely offered opinions in my post, no attempt at a factual claim. If anything, I think your post shows why shoving a/ AA23 is always a good idea... even with the absolute *worst* stacking of the deck against you, you have near-correct equity. Not to mention, in my post I specified AA23 double-suited, where in your post, you made them single-suited. Of course, you had to in order to get the KKQQ enough equity to make your point. When you take away its flush draws: Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled boards cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV As 2s Ad 3d 18959 58720 258746 182534 0 0 265297 0.332 Ac 3c Ah 2h 34302 88073 229393 182534 0 0 265297 0.377 Ks Qs Kd Qd 120959 170673 329327 0 0 0 0 0.292 Get back in your hole, son.
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#16
10-13-2005, 02:29 PM
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Re: Perhaps a dumb theory question....
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Uhh, I'm not sure that's true. There seems to be a lot about preflop odds in O8 that I don't understand and multi-way pots is one of them. Check this out: As Ad 3d 2h 0.308 2s Ac 3c Ah 0.330 Ks Qs Kd Qd 0.362 [/ QUOTE ] No content. But heres another 3 way likley example ... pokenum -mc 500000 -o8 ac 2d 4d 3d - kd 5d kh 6h - 2s as 6c jd Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled boards cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV Ac 4d 3d 2d 46281 69509 426205 4286 128110 8567 122165 0.275 Kd 5d Kh 6h 160862 294595 204567 838 6466 136237 0 0.460 As 2s 6c Jd 61119 130950 364223 4827 10742 104110 122165 0.265
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