600 NL...sick sick sick...did i mention this was a sick hand? - Page 2

#11 10-10-2005, 04:43 PM

What were villain’s holdings?

lapoker17 · #12 10-10-2005, 04:46 PM

this is not a sick hand. if this gave you trouble, you've got problems.

don't even know why i responded.

threeonefour · #13 10-10-2005, 05:05 PM

if this is an 'easy' fold then MP would be correct to push any queen here everytime. it might even make push a 9 correct some % of the time (rather than perhaps value betting against a possible straight/flush/AA/KK).

so you are MP and lets say you hold QJ and you make it to the river using the line in the OP. are you pushing? i am pretty sure 90% of us are value betting. but if we can get another Q to fold, wouldn't it be reasonable to be pushing a lot more often.

i am thinking about this push against a TAGish 2+2er type.

Rococo · #14 10-10-2005, 05:06 PM

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Flop...
Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I make a tester bet, $10 into a $24.00 pot.

BB folds, MP raises to $55

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This flop line is dead solid perfect. You priced in the draws and you have no idea whether you are ahead. What more could you ask for?

yvesaint · #15 10-10-2005, 07:12 PM

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I really like your flop bet. By betting small you don't protect against a draw and you also may entice a raise from a worse hand that you can't feel comfortable calling.

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lol twp youve done it again

also, villain gave you the easiest laydown in the world, congratulations on calling 600 in hopes for a split

Spladle Master · #16 10-10-2005, 09:21 PM

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I really like your flop bet. By betting small you don't protect against a draw and you also may entice a raise from a worse hand that you can't feel comfortable calling.

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I laughed.

soah · #17 10-10-2005, 10:29 PM

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I make a tester bet, $10 into a $24.00 pot.

BB folds, MP raises to $55

Button folds, I call.

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What were you testing, exactly?

tommo · #18 10-11-2005, 01:21 AM

ih. Just to make you feel a little better there ARE players whom you should call in this situation. But they've got to be really bad, and you'll definitely notice them going all in a lot trying to get people to fold when the board looks scary.
for example:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP ($2065.60)
CO ($302.60)
Hero ($1164.10)
SB ($282.05)
BB ($792)
UTG ($392.95)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, MP calls $6, CO calls $6, Hero calls $6, SB (poster) completes, BB raises to $24, MP folds, CO calls $24, Hero calls $24, SB folds.

Flop: ($102) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)

BB bets $75, CO calls $272.60 (All-In), Hero calls $272.60, BB calls $197.60.

Turn: ($919.80) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, Hero bets $200, BB calls $200.

River: ($1319.80) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
converter screwed up but I check and BB goes all in and I call
Final Pot: $1889.80

In this case BB was ridiculously aggressive and could not let go of made hands. It was extremely +ev to call almost all his raises preflop because you could be pretty sure he would push (if you showed a little weakness).

In your case I'm guessing your villain wasn't constantly overvaluing his hands though, or trying to bluff people out.

By the way, BB showed AA

#19 10-11-2005, 02:06 AM

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I make a tester bet, $10 into a $24.00 pot.

BB folds, MP raises to $55

Button folds, I call.

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What were you testing, exactly?

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LOL

yvesaint · #20 10-11-2005, 02:30 AM

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Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

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pre-flop calls are GROSS